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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 515043" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Yes, I did take it and my scores were 5. something or another on the social and 6. something on the economic and I was very low towards libertarian and just to the right. However, as much fun as it was to kick D's doghouse with it, I have to agree very much with D's comments about this "scientific testing" because I don't think it very scientific at all.</p><p></p><p>Case in point is the very first question IMO.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There is a lot to be said here about this but economic globalization as we know it today is an operation of gov't and Statecraft under the notion of central planning, treaty law and international State trade groups ie G8, G20, OPEC etc. and these all act as cartels and monoplies to foster their own interests.</p><p></p><p>On the one hand I could answer that I want the State to enhance humanity but then this would place me towards a political left if you will or I can answer for trans-national corporations and this would shift me to the right. Neither choice however reflects what I believe.</p><p></p><p>Much of what we have today in not new at all and is very much ground although with new names in old fuedalist states and statecraft. The King grants titles of nobility which means the noble has title to lands and serfs from which wealth will come. In return, the nobles promise to fight for the King and his crown. As such, the King also has ultimate jurisdiction over the nobles lands and what the King sez has the effect of divine right that no one can challenge. In effect, the title of nobility, a forerunner of the documents of incorporation grants a certain area of marketplace that the noble will have control over and a non-noble (non-incorporated) can not equally enter.</p><p></p><p>In our world, to bar entry into the marketplace like the kings of old did would show for all to see that free markets is nothing more than a cover, an illusion if you will. A scapegoat, to be the villian, when the nobles overcook their own marketplace. How they keep people out is via regulation and tax law. Become a corporation and you'll recieve special tax priviledge and you might find yourself exempt from certain or many regulations. Some times regulations are enacted by the certain nobles to cause economic harm to another distressed noble in order to force him to abdicate his lands which the surviving nobles take over and increase their wealth and power.</p><p></p><p>The only problem with this scenario is when a King decides it's time the serfs (humanity) were better served and he directs his nobles to do so. Little does anyone realize that the nobles are also allowed to pas this cost down to the serfs and now they (serfs) must toil even harder and the chance of them having the time to learn a new craft and open their own busines (noble lands) are nearly impossible. In many cases the regulatory hurdles themselve bar maketplace entry or keep new and innovative ideas from the marketplace forcing the pocessors of such new ways to bow at the feet of the King and obtain his blessing in order to get that new idea into the marketplace. A serf achieving such access can only do so by bringing glory to King on the field of battle (elective process/campiagn contributions/etc.) for which he might be knighted and gain his own claim.</p><p></p><p>But then there are times when the nobles bellyache and so the king realizes he now has to asnwer to their interests to maintain the power of his Kingdom. He can strip from the serfs and give back to the nobles but that risks an uprising amongst the commoners. He does get away with some of this by granting special priviledge paid for by serf toil but it only goes so far. So the King declares, "We need new lands!" or as we say today "new markets" so the knights mount up, do the conquering thingy and the serfs are happy as they still have a full belly (altough a few extra family graves) and the nobles are happy as they have new lands to control. Even a few serfs make good because in heroic battle they caught the King's eye and as such get knighthood and a new CEO is added to the trade association and country club!</p><p></p><p>So you see, from my POV, accepting the conditions and premise of the question forces me to answer not in what I truly believe (anarchy/libertarian/laissez faire/classical liberal) but within a box created by societal manipulation and manipulators, one accepting that either position will require statecraft and gov't and not the free actions of a free peoples. Way to many questions IMO come from that premise so my answers are really jaded because I'm forced to answer not as I truly believe but within a box that I don't believe in to begin with.</p><p></p><p>And although Diesel's specific compliants about the quiz may not echo mine, his overall point I do think were on the money.</p><p></p><p>BTW: I've made the case over and over and over again that there is no real difference between the 2 political parties and for that fact no real difference between the people that support either party. If you look where the mass of you are falling (upper right quadrant) along with the mass of political leaders of both parties, this does prove my point!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p><p></p><p>I have to admit, I do like the fact that I find myself virtually all alone in the lower right quadrant but not far to the center property line. Opps! Correction, I see Hoaxster moved into the neighborhood. But the best part is to my left and to my north (Hoax) I see several great neighbors and we got all kinds of room to stretch and move around. Those of you all crowded up there in domination land, just make sure you control your pollution and don't violate our property rights down here in freedom land. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/emoticons/rofl.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="Rofl :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" /></p><p></p><p>BTW: The <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20061011195029/http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/quiz-pdf.pdf" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">original political quiz</span> </a>was created by Marshall Fritz and promoted by <a href="http://www.theadvocates.org/" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Adovcates of Self Gov't</span></a> as a libertarian outreach tool. Marshall sadly passed away this past Nov. but his legacy to political thought and discussion still lives on.</p><p></p><p>RIP Marshall!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 515043, member: 2189"] Yes, I did take it and my scores were 5. something or another on the social and 6. something on the economic and I was very low towards libertarian and just to the right. However, as much fun as it was to kick D's doghouse with it, I have to agree very much with D's comments about this "scientific testing" because I don't think it very scientific at all. Case in point is the very first question IMO. There is a lot to be said here about this but economic globalization as we know it today is an operation of gov't and Statecraft under the notion of central planning, treaty law and international State trade groups ie G8, G20, OPEC etc. and these all act as cartels and monoplies to foster their own interests. On the one hand I could answer that I want the State to enhance humanity but then this would place me towards a political left if you will or I can answer for trans-national corporations and this would shift me to the right. Neither choice however reflects what I believe. Much of what we have today in not new at all and is very much ground although with new names in old fuedalist states and statecraft. The King grants titles of nobility which means the noble has title to lands and serfs from which wealth will come. In return, the nobles promise to fight for the King and his crown. As such, the King also has ultimate jurisdiction over the nobles lands and what the King sez has the effect of divine right that no one can challenge. In effect, the title of nobility, a forerunner of the documents of incorporation grants a certain area of marketplace that the noble will have control over and a non-noble (non-incorporated) can not equally enter. In our world, to bar entry into the marketplace like the kings of old did would show for all to see that free markets is nothing more than a cover, an illusion if you will. A scapegoat, to be the villian, when the nobles overcook their own marketplace. How they keep people out is via regulation and tax law. Become a corporation and you'll recieve special tax priviledge and you might find yourself exempt from certain or many regulations. Some times regulations are enacted by the certain nobles to cause economic harm to another distressed noble in order to force him to abdicate his lands which the surviving nobles take over and increase their wealth and power. The only problem with this scenario is when a King decides it's time the serfs (humanity) were better served and he directs his nobles to do so. Little does anyone realize that the nobles are also allowed to pas this cost down to the serfs and now they (serfs) must toil even harder and the chance of them having the time to learn a new craft and open their own busines (noble lands) are nearly impossible. In many cases the regulatory hurdles themselve bar maketplace entry or keep new and innovative ideas from the marketplace forcing the pocessors of such new ways to bow at the feet of the King and obtain his blessing in order to get that new idea into the marketplace. A serf achieving such access can only do so by bringing glory to King on the field of battle (elective process/campiagn contributions/etc.) for which he might be knighted and gain his own claim. But then there are times when the nobles bellyache and so the king realizes he now has to asnwer to their interests to maintain the power of his Kingdom. He can strip from the serfs and give back to the nobles but that risks an uprising amongst the commoners. He does get away with some of this by granting special priviledge paid for by serf toil but it only goes so far. So the King declares, "We need new lands!" or as we say today "new markets" so the knights mount up, do the conquering thingy and the serfs are happy as they still have a full belly (altough a few extra family graves) and the nobles are happy as they have new lands to control. Even a few serfs make good because in heroic battle they caught the King's eye and as such get knighthood and a new CEO is added to the trade association and country club! So you see, from my POV, accepting the conditions and premise of the question forces me to answer not in what I truly believe (anarchy/libertarian/laissez faire/classical liberal) but within a box created by societal manipulation and manipulators, one accepting that either position will require statecraft and gov't and not the free actions of a free peoples. Way to many questions IMO come from that premise so my answers are really jaded because I'm forced to answer not as I truly believe but within a box that I don't believe in to begin with. And although Diesel's specific compliants about the quiz may not echo mine, his overall point I do think were on the money. BTW: I've made the case over and over and over again that there is no real difference between the 2 political parties and for that fact no real difference between the people that support either party. If you look where the mass of you are falling (upper right quadrant) along with the mass of political leaders of both parties, this does prove my point! :wink2: I have to admit, I do like the fact that I find myself virtually all alone in the lower right quadrant but not far to the center property line. Opps! Correction, I see Hoaxster moved into the neighborhood. But the best part is to my left and to my north (Hoax) I see several great neighbors and we got all kinds of room to stretch and move around. Those of you all crowded up there in domination land, just make sure you control your pollution and don't violate our property rights down here in freedom land. :rofl: BTW: The [URL='https://web.archive.org/web/20061011195029/http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/quiz-pdf.pdf'][COLOR=red]original political quiz[/COLOR] [/URL]was created by Marshall Fritz and promoted by [URL='http://www.theadvocates.org/'][COLOR=red]Adovcates of Self Gov't[/COLOR][/URL] as a libertarian outreach tool. Marshall sadly passed away this past Nov. but his legacy to political thought and discussion still lives on. RIP Marshall! [/QUOTE]
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