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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 285028" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>IMO they seem backwards because of our perspective of looking at all events as though starting in the 1993' WTC bombing and even moreso with 9/11. IMHO you have to look at this whole thing from a 3k plus year perspective (I know, not an easy task at all and I speak from experience because it seems to never end) but when you do it does open up a lot of answers and clears out IMO tons of gray if not black areas. </p><p> </p><p>Our day became even greater complicated with the WW1 era and then events of post WW1 as the Ottoman empire was dissolved into the French and British empires. This act was critical to a people still embraced in it's stories and legends of the old Crusades just as we have our own legends of the Crusades with our own heros. Here you have the very Kings of the Crusaders themselves, those empires if you will, controlling all of the Islamic world, not just Jerusalem. </p><p> </p><p>Then in 1928', an Egyptian schoolteacher named Hassan al-Banna founded an organization called the Muslim Brotherhood and then all roads lead outward from there within the extreme Sunni world from the PLO to Al Qaeda.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>What would you think if you had been taught for millenia plus that Jews and Christians had corrupted the word of God, Allah if you will, (Yahweh and Jehovah to others) brought to us by the greats prophets of Abraham, Moses, Jesus (yes Jesus even) and others. They believe Muhammad is God's final prophet to cleanse and correct the wrong done before. Yes, to us from our perspective it may seem silly but to them, they see their world now ruled and controlled by the very thing that Muhammad came to resolve and correct. </p><p> </p><p>Now this doesn't justify the many terrorist events but it does show where IMO we are at times our own worse enemy with the average folk in the Mideast region leaving the door open for maniac mad men to exploit and manipulate the people. How many of us thought the worse of either UPS or the IBT when the contract talks were kept in such hush, hush conditions and we are so educated class of the world elite! Even the wrong appearance is a breeding ground for manipulation.</p><p> </p><p>As for the "We're Americans so they shouldn't fear us" idea, how do you react when a homosexual fully asserts him/herself in public via affection towards another homosexual with the only purpose being of saying is some public manner, your religious/moral beliefs no longer apply here? What do you do and think when an atheist stands and asserts themselves in the public arena and demands God has no place? Should I link the many threads here to prove that point?</p><p> </p><p>You starting to get a sense of how these guys might feel? What would happen if atheists and homosexuals attained power enough that heterosexuality and belief in god was completely outlawed, how far would you go? Would you resort to violence if this new power came after you and your friends and family for practicing these ideals and faith? </p><p> </p><p>All of us agree we are very blessed to live in the land we do even with all it's faults but at the same time we tend to get a skewed way of thinking because we are so fortunate. We can't comprehend to where some people come from of just how far they are able to think using logic. We even have this problem at times ourselves IMHO. It's called being human!</p><p> </p><p>Consider this point to ponder as I close. In the late 1700's various men revolted against the ruling empire of the world at the time and won. After victory it took a few years to bring about a document that gave us a gov't. Now let's say we wanted to learn the hard truth about say the 2nd amendment to that document so would we only view that segment of law from a 1990's forward POV and never, ever consider the historical context or perspective behind the words in that amendment? What are the odds we would derive to the same conclusion from an individual liberty standpoint as those men did in that day if we totally ignored the history and words of those times?</p><p> </p><p>What are the odds then we will completely understand an enemy and how they react if we only look at them from the lat 10 years perspective and never consider back beyond that point?</p><p> </p><p>I wonder why the greatest generals like Patton who were victorious on the field of Battle were also avid historians? Is there a message and lesson for us there?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 285028, member: 2189"] IMO they seem backwards because of our perspective of looking at all events as though starting in the 1993' WTC bombing and even moreso with 9/11. IMHO you have to look at this whole thing from a 3k plus year perspective (I know, not an easy task at all and I speak from experience because it seems to never end) but when you do it does open up a lot of answers and clears out IMO tons of gray if not black areas. Our day became even greater complicated with the WW1 era and then events of post WW1 as the Ottoman empire was dissolved into the French and British empires. This act was critical to a people still embraced in it's stories and legends of the old Crusades just as we have our own legends of the Crusades with our own heros. Here you have the very Kings of the Crusaders themselves, those empires if you will, controlling all of the Islamic world, not just Jerusalem. Then in 1928', an Egyptian schoolteacher named Hassan al-Banna founded an organization called the Muslim Brotherhood and then all roads lead outward from there within the extreme Sunni world from the PLO to Al Qaeda. What would you think if you had been taught for millenia plus that Jews and Christians had corrupted the word of God, Allah if you will, (Yahweh and Jehovah to others) brought to us by the greats prophets of Abraham, Moses, Jesus (yes Jesus even) and others. They believe Muhammad is God's final prophet to cleanse and correct the wrong done before. Yes, to us from our perspective it may seem silly but to them, they see their world now ruled and controlled by the very thing that Muhammad came to resolve and correct. Now this doesn't justify the many terrorist events but it does show where IMO we are at times our own worse enemy with the average folk in the Mideast region leaving the door open for maniac mad men to exploit and manipulate the people. How many of us thought the worse of either UPS or the IBT when the contract talks were kept in such hush, hush conditions and we are so educated class of the world elite! Even the wrong appearance is a breeding ground for manipulation. As for the "We're Americans so they shouldn't fear us" idea, how do you react when a homosexual fully asserts him/herself in public via affection towards another homosexual with the only purpose being of saying is some public manner, your religious/moral beliefs no longer apply here? What do you do and think when an atheist stands and asserts themselves in the public arena and demands God has no place? Should I link the many threads here to prove that point? You starting to get a sense of how these guys might feel? What would happen if atheists and homosexuals attained power enough that heterosexuality and belief in god was completely outlawed, how far would you go? Would you resort to violence if this new power came after you and your friends and family for practicing these ideals and faith? All of us agree we are very blessed to live in the land we do even with all it's faults but at the same time we tend to get a skewed way of thinking because we are so fortunate. We can't comprehend to where some people come from of just how far they are able to think using logic. We even have this problem at times ourselves IMHO. It's called being human! Consider this point to ponder as I close. In the late 1700's various men revolted against the ruling empire of the world at the time and won. After victory it took a few years to bring about a document that gave us a gov't. Now let's say we wanted to learn the hard truth about say the 2nd amendment to that document so would we only view that segment of law from a 1990's forward POV and never, ever consider the historical context or perspective behind the words in that amendment? What are the odds we would derive to the same conclusion from an individual liberty standpoint as those men did in that day if we totally ignored the history and words of those times? What are the odds then we will completely understand an enemy and how they react if we only look at them from the lat 10 years perspective and never consider back beyond that point? I wonder why the greatest generals like Patton who were victorious on the field of Battle were also avid historians? Is there a message and lesson for us there? [/QUOTE]
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