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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 422589" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>AYERS group of "Weatherman", or the splinter group "the weather underground" who committed that crime?</p><p> </p><p>What about the rogue elements of the SDS within the weather underground?</p><p> </p><p>AYERs couldnt be everywhere at once, the group fractured into many parts, violent and non violent.</p><p> </p><p>You must understand the history of the group(s) and the responsiblity of each faction.</p><p> </p><p>Placing blame on AYERS is rediculous given his american right to have a "presumption of innocence" until proven guilty by a jury of his peers.</p><p> </p><p>Did we do away with the bill of rights?</p><p> </p><p>To this date, there is NO, ZERO, NADA connection to Bill Ayers and the death of anyone in american history.</p><p> </p><p>If you can prove there is a legal, judge or jury defined case citing any connection to any deaths of anyone involving BILL AYERS, then cite it.</p><p> </p><p>Otherwise, you are spreading lies and distortions.</p><p> </p><p>The history of Bill Ayers stands for itself. Innocent until proven guilty.</p><p> </p><p>(just in case you didnt know this)</p><p><strong>[<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Weatherman_(organization)&action=edit&section=10" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">edit</span></u></a>] <em>Prairie Fire</em></strong></p><p></p><p>The Weather Underground’s ideology changed direction in the early 1970’s. With help from former Progressive Labor member, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clayton_Van_Lydegraf" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Clayton Van Lydegraf</span></u></a>, the Weather Underground sought a more <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist-Leninist" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Marxist-Leninist</span></u></a> approach. The leading members of the Weather Underground collaborated on ideas and published their manifesto: <em>"Prairie Fire: The Politics of Revolutionary Anti-Imperialism.</em>"<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground_Organization#cite_note-Jacobs-5" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">[6]</span></u></a> By the summer of 1974, five thousand copies had surfaced in coffee houses and bookstores across America. Leftist newspapers praised the manifesto.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground_Organization#cite_note-autogenerated3-28" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">[29]</span></u></a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbie_Hoffman" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Abbie Hoffman</span></u></a> publicly praised <em>Prairie Fire</em> and believed every American should be given a copy.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground_Organization#cite_note-29" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">[30]</span></u></a> The manifesto’s influence initiated the formation of the '<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prairie_Fire_Organizing_Committee&action=edit&redlink=1" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">Prairie Fire Organizing Committee</span></u></a>' in several American cities. Hundreds of above-ground activists helped further the new political vision of the Weather Underground.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground_Organization#cite_note-autogenerated3-28" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">[29]</span></u></a> <strong>In the late 1970s, the Weatherman group further split into two factions — the "May 19 Coalition" and the "Prairie Fire Collective" — with </strong><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernadine_Dohrn" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc"><strong>Bernadine Dohrn</strong></span></u></a><strong> and </strong><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc"><strong>Bill Ayers</strong></span></u></a><strong> in the latter.</strong> The Prairie Fire Collective favored coming out of hiding, with members facing the criminal charges against them, while the May 19 Coalition continued in hiding. A decisive factor in Dohrn's coming out of hiding were her concerns about her children[<em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc">citation needed</span></u></a></em>]. The Prairie Fire Collective started to surrender to the authorities from the late 1970s to the early 1980s. <strong>The remaining Weatherman Underground members continued to violently attack US institutions.</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 422589, member: 17969"] AYERS group of "Weatherman", or the splinter group "the weather underground" who committed that crime? What about the rogue elements of the SDS within the weather underground? AYERs couldnt be everywhere at once, the group fractured into many parts, violent and non violent. You must understand the history of the group(s) and the responsiblity of each faction. Placing blame on AYERS is rediculous given his american right to have a "presumption of innocence" until proven guilty by a jury of his peers. Did we do away with the bill of rights? To this date, there is NO, ZERO, NADA connection to Bill Ayers and the death of anyone in american history. If you can prove there is a legal, judge or jury defined case citing any connection to any deaths of anyone involving BILL AYERS, then cite it. Otherwise, you are spreading lies and distortions. The history of Bill Ayers stands for itself. Innocent until proven guilty. (just in case you didnt know this) [B][[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Weatherman_(organization)&action=edit§ion=10"][U][COLOR=#0066cc]edit[/COLOR][/U][/URL]] [I]Prairie Fire[/I][/B] The Weather Underground’s ideology changed direction in the early 1970’s. With help from former Progressive Labor member, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clayton_Van_Lydegraf"][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Clayton Van Lydegraf[/COLOR][/U][/URL], the Weather Underground sought a more [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist-Leninist"][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Marxist-Leninist[/COLOR][/U][/URL] approach. The leading members of the Weather Underground collaborated on ideas and published their manifesto: [I]"Prairie Fire: The Politics of Revolutionary Anti-Imperialism.[/I]"[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground_Organization#cite_note-Jacobs-5"][U][COLOR=#0066cc][6][/COLOR][/U][/URL] By the summer of 1974, five thousand copies had surfaced in coffee houses and bookstores across America. Leftist newspapers praised the manifesto.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground_Organization#cite_note-autogenerated3-28"][U][COLOR=#0066cc][29][/COLOR][/U][/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbie_Hoffman"][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Abbie Hoffman[/COLOR][/U][/URL] publicly praised [I]Prairie Fire[/I] and believed every American should be given a copy.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground_Organization#cite_note-29"][U][COLOR=#0066cc][30][/COLOR][/U][/URL] The manifesto’s influence initiated the formation of the '[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prairie_Fire_Organizing_Committee&action=edit&redlink=1"][U][COLOR=#0066cc]Prairie Fire Organizing Committee[/COLOR][/U][/URL]' in several American cities. Hundreds of above-ground activists helped further the new political vision of the Weather Underground.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground_Organization#cite_note-autogenerated3-28"][U][COLOR=#0066cc][29][/COLOR][/U][/URL] [B]In the late 1970s, the Weatherman group further split into two factions — the "May 19 Coalition" and the "Prairie Fire Collective" — with [/B][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernadine_Dohrn"][U][COLOR=#0066cc][B]Bernadine Dohrn[/B][/COLOR][/U][/URL][B] and [/B][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers"][U][COLOR=#0066cc][B]Bill Ayers[/B][/COLOR][/U][/URL][B] in the latter.[/B] The Prairie Fire Collective favored coming out of hiding, with members facing the criminal charges against them, while the May 19 Coalition continued in hiding. A decisive factor in Dohrn's coming out of hiding were her concerns about her children[[I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed"][U][COLOR=#0066cc]citation needed[/COLOR][/U][/URL][/I]]. The Prairie Fire Collective started to surrender to the authorities from the late 1970s to the early 1980s. [B]The remaining Weatherman Underground members continued to violently attack US institutions.[/B] [/QUOTE]
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