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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 71611" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p><strong>Corporations have self regulation, it's called Congress and lobbyists</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Poor little suzi, you would do well sometime to extract yourself away from the Democratic Underground website and Al Gore, John Kerry and George Soros' "I Hate Dubya" secret club (republicans have their little clubs too) and venture into the world of the Federal Register, Statues At Large and other venues for finding out just really how bad things are. Believe it or not, it's far worse than you ever expected and I know this will come as a shock but both parties are over their heads in it! </p><p></p><p>By the way, the first tenet of self regulation is this. You respect the life, liberty and property of others at all times and under no pretense do you violate those under the cover of force or fraud. This also means you can't use gov't (force) to do for you what you can't do otherwise for yourself. If you are capable of being really honest with yourself for the briefest of moments you can clearly see that corporations, in some capacity, violate this tenet every day, every hour on both counts but are given cover by gov't who are owned by these corporations and then this same gov't passes laws that exempt these corporations from being taken into a court of law to face charges of violation of the very tenets first listed. As we speak the gun makers are lobbying for just such protection mainly because we have an idiot public for jurists and drooling lawyers who care not for what legal precedents they set but just want the fat bank accounts and the big house on the hill so they to can run for office and be the big dog and tell the rest of us that make life work what to do and what not to do at the behest of the corporations. </p><p></p><p>Also corporations can exempt all physical persons involved of liability and pass that liability on to a paper creature that can be desolved simply by walking into the lawyer's office and starting the process. Then the victim of the corporation has no recourse because the culprit is declared legally dead. How can you charge a dead person with a crime? You can't! And the corporations is unison sing, "SWEET!" </p><p></p><p>Suzi, in my open frontier, wild west, neanderthal world there would be no such thing as a corporation. You couldn't open a company one day under a paper fiction, do your deeds and then kill it once the gig with the public is up. To conduct business, you'd have to conduct it as yourself and what you contracted to you'd (your phyiscal person)also be held liable too. Unless you physically died yourself, you couldn't screw around and walk away leaving dead bodies so to speak laying around. Ask you democrat leader friends are they willing to even venture into thinking in that direction and you'll see real fast the only difference between them and ole' Dubya is ole' Dubya happens to live at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. and they desire it so bad it's killing them. </p><p></p><p>You want to see people self regulate? Do that (eliminate corp. status)and see what happens and yes it would have a dramatic effect on our economy and society and likely very negative at the outset. But don't worry as I don't believe this would ever happen but we do need to rethink what we are doing. We also need to consider the options out there and other than more gov't ones. That maybe the answer but is it always the only answer? I just see going to gov't everytime, especially the federal level, being like giving just one more bank door key and vault combination to the local bank robber. Then we wonder why the bank keeps getting robbed in the middle of the night. DUH!!!!!!!</p><p></p><p>Society is like a non working traffic light. Leave the self regulating to the motorist and the overwhelming majority approach the intersection with extreme caution and even allow the other guy to proceed first to make sure no accident occurs. Are there some that just blow through? Sure but isn't it likely that is the same person who blows through a working redlight anyway that you see everyday? There is no perfect world, there is no utopia so stop trying to use the force of gov't to create something that is total impossible to begin with! The only thing gov't does is make it easier for the redlight runner to run the redlight and then when he hits someone he has gov't granted immunity from prosecution!</p><p></p><p>JMHO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 71611, member: 2189"] [b]Corporations have self regulation, it's called Congress and lobbyists[/b] Poor little suzi, you would do well sometime to extract yourself away from the Democratic Underground website and Al Gore, John Kerry and George Soros' "I Hate Dubya" secret club (republicans have their little clubs too) and venture into the world of the Federal Register, Statues At Large and other venues for finding out just really how bad things are. Believe it or not, it's far worse than you ever expected and I know this will come as a shock but both parties are over their heads in it! By the way, the first tenet of self regulation is this. You respect the life, liberty and property of others at all times and under no pretense do you violate those under the cover of force or fraud. This also means you can't use gov't (force) to do for you what you can't do otherwise for yourself. If you are capable of being really honest with yourself for the briefest of moments you can clearly see that corporations, in some capacity, violate this tenet every day, every hour on both counts but are given cover by gov't who are owned by these corporations and then this same gov't passes laws that exempt these corporations from being taken into a court of law to face charges of violation of the very tenets first listed. As we speak the gun makers are lobbying for just such protection mainly because we have an idiot public for jurists and drooling lawyers who care not for what legal precedents they set but just want the fat bank accounts and the big house on the hill so they to can run for office and be the big dog and tell the rest of us that make life work what to do and what not to do at the behest of the corporations. Also corporations can exempt all physical persons involved of liability and pass that liability on to a paper creature that can be desolved simply by walking into the lawyer's office and starting the process. Then the victim of the corporation has no recourse because the culprit is declared legally dead. How can you charge a dead person with a crime? You can't! And the corporations is unison sing, "SWEET!" Suzi, in my open frontier, wild west, neanderthal world there would be no such thing as a corporation. You couldn't open a company one day under a paper fiction, do your deeds and then kill it once the gig with the public is up. To conduct business, you'd have to conduct it as yourself and what you contracted to you'd (your phyiscal person)also be held liable too. Unless you physically died yourself, you couldn't screw around and walk away leaving dead bodies so to speak laying around. Ask you democrat leader friends are they willing to even venture into thinking in that direction and you'll see real fast the only difference between them and ole' Dubya is ole' Dubya happens to live at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. and they desire it so bad it's killing them. You want to see people self regulate? Do that (eliminate corp. status)and see what happens and yes it would have a dramatic effect on our economy and society and likely very negative at the outset. But don't worry as I don't believe this would ever happen but we do need to rethink what we are doing. We also need to consider the options out there and other than more gov't ones. That maybe the answer but is it always the only answer? I just see going to gov't everytime, especially the federal level, being like giving just one more bank door key and vault combination to the local bank robber. Then we wonder why the bank keeps getting robbed in the middle of the night. DUH!!!!!!! Society is like a non working traffic light. Leave the self regulating to the motorist and the overwhelming majority approach the intersection with extreme caution and even allow the other guy to proceed first to make sure no accident occurs. Are there some that just blow through? Sure but isn't it likely that is the same person who blows through a working redlight anyway that you see everyday? There is no perfect world, there is no utopia so stop trying to use the force of gov't to create something that is total impossible to begin with! The only thing gov't does is make it easier for the redlight runner to run the redlight and then when he hits someone he has gov't granted immunity from prosecution! JMHO. [/QUOTE]
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