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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 71678" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p><strong>Traveler</strong></p><p></p><p>Ironically you could have an argument about the licensing of gun owners like you do automobiles which BTW is a legitiment role of the State. Drivers are using the public roads and could pose a risk to other memebers of the public so therefore it is a legit roll of gov't. Guns could be viewed the same way to some extent but here is where you could hit a snag. Can you own a car, never register it, never pay taxes on it, never need a drivers license if that car never hits the public roads in any way? Yes you can. If this vehicle only is driven on private property at all times then no you only need the permission of the property owner and follow his/her rules and you are set. Don't believe me? One great examples are race cars. Years ago I had one and it wasn't registered, I paid no tax, I needed no State license. All I had to do was follow the rules of the track promoter and sanctioning body and I was good to go.</p><p></p><p>Now the question with the gun is, what are the circumstances of the gun leaving the property? On a person on the public roads or walkways and I'm not talking riding in the car but literally out in public in to my knowledge most States require at least a permit to do so with the weapon concealed and generally speaking you are prohibited from entering public places. some laws vary of course but that has been the general rule. What about the gun completely open to public view? Well I think the same rule as concealed weapon could and in some cases should apply and in may State and local jurisdictions they do vary and cover this and IMO is a legit use of law. For you "I gotcha" types out there notice I've covered State and Local only, Federal level has no authority or standing in this matter pertaining to local jurisdiction and it's citizens. </p><p></p><p>What about the firearm that travels from your home via the automobile to another private place such as private hunting area or private firing range. From State to State they view the automobile different as some see it as an extension of the home so therefore no license needed and some don't. Goes back to the automobile having left the private road is now a public vehicle as is the driver inside and therefore all contents inside are in the public domain. Makes for interesting reading in search and seizure cases. LOL! I can see the argument going both ways but in the end I think the public position would win as it has in may States and the need to have a license to transport is coming more and more the normal thinking in this. I don't happen to agree but such is the facts of life. </p><p></p><p>As for driver's license, I do happen to believe the minimum age should be 18 and I do believe retesting should take place on some scheduled basis when one is using the public roads. I think one of the road blocks to retesting is the enormous strains of public capacity to do this. This is one area where private business could step up and provide a means of testing in a for profit basis and once re-certified, like emissions testing, you bring the paperwork to the driver's license dept. and get the license. All this done via local and State jurisdictions and not federal as they have no business in this. </p><p></p><p>BTW, I mean what I say about 18 year olds as my 16 year old is finding out right now. Also before she hits Ameirca's roads she will attend a multi-day driving school at Road Atlanta to learn the proper way and also be placed in the bad situations to learn how to get out. Expensive but will be worth every dime IMO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 71678, member: 2189"] [b]Traveler[/b] Ironically you could have an argument about the licensing of gun owners like you do automobiles which BTW is a legitiment role of the State. Drivers are using the public roads and could pose a risk to other memebers of the public so therefore it is a legit roll of gov't. Guns could be viewed the same way to some extent but here is where you could hit a snag. Can you own a car, never register it, never pay taxes on it, never need a drivers license if that car never hits the public roads in any way? Yes you can. If this vehicle only is driven on private property at all times then no you only need the permission of the property owner and follow his/her rules and you are set. Don't believe me? One great examples are race cars. Years ago I had one and it wasn't registered, I paid no tax, I needed no State license. All I had to do was follow the rules of the track promoter and sanctioning body and I was good to go. Now the question with the gun is, what are the circumstances of the gun leaving the property? On a person on the public roads or walkways and I'm not talking riding in the car but literally out in public in to my knowledge most States require at least a permit to do so with the weapon concealed and generally speaking you are prohibited from entering public places. some laws vary of course but that has been the general rule. What about the gun completely open to public view? Well I think the same rule as concealed weapon could and in some cases should apply and in may State and local jurisdictions they do vary and cover this and IMO is a legit use of law. For you "I gotcha" types out there notice I've covered State and Local only, Federal level has no authority or standing in this matter pertaining to local jurisdiction and it's citizens. What about the firearm that travels from your home via the automobile to another private place such as private hunting area or private firing range. From State to State they view the automobile different as some see it as an extension of the home so therefore no license needed and some don't. Goes back to the automobile having left the private road is now a public vehicle as is the driver inside and therefore all contents inside are in the public domain. Makes for interesting reading in search and seizure cases. LOL! I can see the argument going both ways but in the end I think the public position would win as it has in may States and the need to have a license to transport is coming more and more the normal thinking in this. I don't happen to agree but such is the facts of life. As for driver's license, I do happen to believe the minimum age should be 18 and I do believe retesting should take place on some scheduled basis when one is using the public roads. I think one of the road blocks to retesting is the enormous strains of public capacity to do this. This is one area where private business could step up and provide a means of testing in a for profit basis and once re-certified, like emissions testing, you bring the paperwork to the driver's license dept. and get the license. All this done via local and State jurisdictions and not federal as they have no business in this. BTW, I mean what I say about 18 year olds as my 16 year old is finding out right now. Also before she hits Ameirca's roads she will attend a multi-day driving school at Road Atlanta to learn the proper way and also be placed in the bad situations to learn how to get out. Expensive but will be worth every dime IMO. [/QUOTE]
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