PT hire date vs transfer date

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by nampaIDupser, Jan 29, 2015.

  1. billFREAKINmurray

    billFREAKINmurray It's super effective!

    Whats up guys.

    So I've been with ups PT for almost 8 years. I had an educational transfer to another center and was there for about a year and a half and decided to transfer back to my original center (I understood being endtailed). I was told by hr when returning to just go into work as normal unless told otherwise. So I worked a sort or two and then was told by acting PT sup (he was actually an on road) that we were overstaffed and I was going to be a lay off.

    So I miss the next week of work and am called by a coworker that ive known since being hired. He asks me why I wasnt at work due to the fact that a new hire was there working all week. I call my shop steward and explain. He tells me that the new hire was hired 2 weeks before I transferred back (but had not worked until the week of my lay off) and thus he had seniority over me.

    I was always told that your date of hire was the first day you work as well as your seniority start date. Am I wrong to think that the new guy shouldnt be ahead of me in seniority?
     
  2. cosmo1

    cosmo1 Just another internet hooligan.

    You are wrong. Company seniority and building seniority are two different things.

    So sorry.
     
  3. billFREAKINmurray

    billFREAKINmurray It's super effective!

    I understand that. My question is: would that new employees seniority date be the day he was hired or the day he started working? The way I see it is that I came back to my original center and was already working. Then was told I was going to be laid off... then I was told the new guy started working AFTER I already came back and started work.
     
  4. DriveInDriveOut

    DriveInDriveOut The One Who Knocks

    Is it possible he was put through his orientation class before you transferred back but was being told to call in to see if they needed him, or being sent home?
     
  5. fres431

    fres431 Active Member

    What happened here is HR screwed up, transferred you in and hiring a off the street when there was one opening.
     
  6. billFREAKINmurray

    billFREAKINmurray It's super effective!

    I am assuming thats what happened. However, if HR made a mistake sending me in, whats the rule? What is supposed to be cited in the contract (if there is anything)? Who should have higher seniority?
     
  7. billFREAKINmurray

    billFREAKINmurray It's super effective!

    I can tell you without a doubt the facts are: 1. I was back working before the other employee. 2. My shop steward told me that he was hired a week or two BEFORE I transferred back.

    So who has seniority?
     
  8. cosmo1

    cosmo1 Just another internet hooligan.

    Honestly? You have to look at your supplement.

    His hire date could very well be his seniority date.
     
  9. billFREAKINmurray

    billFREAKINmurray It's super effective!

    Well knowing this message board I actually did check first and couldnt find anything relating to my issue. Then again my reading comprehension is awful. :(
     
  10. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Your shop steward is correct.

    Sorry.
     
  11. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    The new hire has more juice than you. The only thing that might be a factor in your favor is that the new hire didn't have his 30 days in yet for seniority. But I doubt that matters.
     
  12. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    Maybe hired during free period and seniority was first day worked after end of free period?
     
  13. billFREAKINmurray

    billFREAKINmurray It's super effective!

    Well thanks for the bad news guys lol. Ill just keep holding on until I get a FT spot in 5 years and then top rate 4 years after that. So depressing. :'(
     
  14. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    I knocked a few years off my wait for full-time when I transferred. But it still sucks having quite a few people ahead of me on the seniority list that have less company seniority than me. I'd be in feeders if I had stayed put but I wanted to work closer to the college I was attending.
     
  15. Mugarolla

    Mugarolla Light 'em up!

    In the Central, your first day worked is your seniority date, not your hire date.
     
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  17. ManInBrown

    ManInBrown Well-Known Member

    I believe his seniority date would be the first day he punches in, and is being paid by the company. Whether it's for orientation or working his job function. It's not hire date.
     
  18. Mugarolla

    Mugarolla Light 'em up!

    In the Central, orientation and Integrad, or other pre-driving training, does not count.

    The seniority date reverts back to the first day worked of 30 days needed to qualify in a 90 day period.
     
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