PT hired in late OCT. Confused about contract impact on MY medical benefits

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by geriatric handler?, Jan 18, 2008.

  1. geriatric handler?

    geriatric handler? New Member

    Keep getting different answers from different people @ my local and in my hub. bottom line- nobody has a clue and they're just guessing. Does anyone here actually know...

    In my local, it's 72 working days to seniority- early february, for me. It's my understanding that the new contract, insofar as PT employee's health care, went into force on 1.1.2008. Some say my medical will be same as always (same 3 choices, with the Teamsters self-funded indemnity run by blue cross being the most selected). Others say that i am under the new national plan that nobody knows squat about. others say i now have to wait a year for medical per the new terms.

    anyone know what the truth is. better yet, can you point me to information that i could show my local so i can prove it. i only took this job for benefits; and, sadly, this new contract sure doesn't smile on us PT package handlers....

  2. JonFrum

    JonFrum Guest

    Confused Geriatric Handler,

    I believe I can add to your confusion.

    You can view the changes to the UPS National Master Agreement, that the above language is taken from, here:

    When my Local held its meeting to present the proposed contract to us just before the balloting, my President said that part-timers in New England would not be effected by the above language change. She even showed us a document signed by a UPS negotiator that said New England part-timers would keep their existing health care arrangement. Nothing would change. I believe her, but unfortunately, as usual, the contract language is not clear.

    The old master contract, by the way, is here:
  3. dillweed

    dillweed Well-Known Member

    More confusion for you.

    Many, of not all locals have a supplement to the master agreement that applies to them only. Although the master agreement may be accepted the local supplements are not yet agreed upon. If I'm not mistaken, these supplements overide the master agreement. Therefore you may have to wait and see what your local supplement says.

    Not sure if I'm speaking fact here but it's the way I understand it. Our local is still taking suggestions for our supplement and it will not be settled for some time.

    If anyone has input here please let it fly. :happy2: Don't want to mislead anyone, especially one who is new and has a valid question.
  4. JonFrum

    JonFrum Guest


    The National Master and all of its regional Supplements and Riders was finally ratified, and is in full force as of December 19, 2007.

    However, there are two other (seperate) Teamster bargaining units at UPS: Local 705, and Local 710. They haven't voted on a new contract yet.
  5. geriatric handler?

    geriatric handler? New Member

    thanks for the links and quote. one thing seems certain: the 12 month delay does NOT apply to me, so that's good news. beyond that though, yeah... clear as mud! how UPS and the teamsters thought that a change of this magnitude would become effective a month after it was ratified, is ridiculous. putting that 1.1.2008 effective date was stupid- especially when the existing contract had another 8 months- enough time for them to get their :censored2: together. i just hope this doesn't delay the start of my benefits.

    thanks for the input- i appreciate it....
  6. dillweed

    dillweed Well-Known Member

    JonFrum, thanks. I'm 710 and that supplement is in Greek. :dissapointed:
  7. geriatric handler?

    geriatric handler? New Member

    are you also in 705 or 710 (you say your plan did NOT change)?!? since i'm not in 705 or 710, i guess it's in force for me too. none of the part timers w/seniority i've spoken to in my hub think their insurance has changed (not because they 'know', but because they haven't been told otherwise).

    the lack of clarity in my hub seems logical. again, given that it went into force on 12.19 and supposedly (magically) UPS was able to spring into action immediately and change 100,000+ PTers from their assorted local union plans to the UPS National Plan in those 12 days between the 12.19 and 1.1.2008 (not to mention xmas and new years! seems, ummm... unlikely. not to mention standing agreements between the teamsters and other health plans (i would imagine they require more than 12 day's notice to lose a chunk of their business like this!).

    any part timers who have received any actual info or who've been switched over to the UPS plan, PLEASE chime in...

  8. iowa boy

    iowa boy Well-Known Member


    here in the middle of the country, our insurance took effect Jan. 1. We had our new summary plan books and cards by the end of the first week in January. We had the option of two different plans to choose from and if we didn't choose we were defaulted to the old plan that was in force. We were notified via a PCM the first week of December that our insurance was gonna change and there were certain steps we had to take to change over to the new coverage.
  9. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    It is my understanding that the current contract does not expire until July 31, 2008, with the new contract taking effect Aug 1, 2008. Contract ratification simply means that the contract has been approved by a majority of the members who voted and has been approved by the Teamsters.
  10. geriatric handler?

    geriatric handler? New Member

    thanks for the post- certainly seems like certain locals are more on the ball than others :whistling

    did this change just your medical, or did your dental and vision change too?

  11. geriatric handler?

    geriatric handler? New Member

    actually, most the the new contract went into effect on 1.1.2008- the teamsters, in a rush to cram this thing down our throats, agreed to forgo the last 8 months of the old contract. too bad most part timers don't vote/don't look into things- this contract would have never been approved.

    just goes to show, that you, like me, haven't heard word one about the changes from your local. pretty lame. not quite sure what i'm paying my $350 initiation fee and dues for- they keep us in the dark and they certainly weren't looking out for part timers when they negotiated this give away contract...
  12. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    I stand corrected on the contract start date. BTW, not that it matters, but I am not a part-timer. I am a full-time pkg car driver w/19 yrs of service.
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2008
  13. govols019

    govols019 You smell that?

    Did you vote on this contract? If so, how could you not know it went into effect 1/1/2008? It was right there in the contract.
  14. JonFrum

    JonFrum Guest

    Look at the top of the Contract Changes that were sent to you with your ballots. It says, "For the Period Upon Ratification, 2007 through July 31, 2013."

    Ratification occurred when the five remaining Supplements/Riders were finally passed on the second try, after negotiating a better deal (!), on December 19, 2007. Various clauses have later implementation dates, but the entire contract was in full effect on Dec. 19, 2007.
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    Geriatric Handler, I'm in Local 42 Lynn, Ma. and am covered by the New England Supplement. Locals 705 and 710 are big locals in the Indiana/Illinois area. Their contracts are negotiated and voted on seperately than all the rest of us.
  15. Lobofan5

    Lobofan5 New Member

    Don't you mean...Geek:funny:?
  16. hondo

    hondo promoted to mediocrity

    Another item to clear up, and this you should be able to get an answer to locally. Once you achieve seniority (in Feb.), what will your seniority date be? The Feb. date or the Oct. date you started as a permanent (not seasonal) employee. Here in 705 it's the date you started. An Oct. date would seem to put you under the old 3 options, Feb. date the new national plan. Or am I missing something here?