Question about Pay

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by ups_wife, May 8, 2014.

  1. ups_wife

    ups_wife New Member

    Hi all:

    My husband is a driver in WI. He received his full time seniority February 2012 and just received his 2nd year progression this year.

    We have been following the contract issues and the negotiated wage increases. We looked at his pay stub this morning and noticed no $.70/hr. in his pay. It was the same as it has been since February.

    When he asked the sup. they said that his pay rate was correct (20.75) but that he would get a retro check? It doesn't make sense to me that he would be owed $.70/hr retroactively but not entitled to a raise as the new contract has come into effect.

    I have watched the company do just incredibly confusing and asinine things before and I'm terrified that I don't understand what's going on.

    He was supposed to get a $.70/hr raise last August yes? And he is entitled to retroactive pay yes? And, he should have gotten that $.70/hr raise starting last Monday right??

    I am scared that because he is in progression that he somehow not going to get a raise and we had sort of been planning on that happening (not to mention making plans for the retroactive pay).

    Thanks for the help!
  2. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    Not to be rude but you'll never know what's going on at this place. Be happy your husband is in 3 year progression and a year from now will be making $33-34 an hour.
  3. ncupser82

    ncupser82 Active Member

    He's in progression, he'll get his raise at the end of the progression. I had to wait until I got my raises to make top pay...we all do! He's probably entitled to a retro check because he's still entitled to this raise and the company's not going to want to pay out retro checks when all these drivers finally make top pay...just a guess!

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  4. Welcome to UPS, the home of confusion!...He Is making $40 bucks an hour, he just isnt telling you!
  5. ups_wife

    ups_wife New Member

    Are you saying that he isn't entitled to the $.70 until he reaches top rate? Our regional union guy told him that he will get a retro check but that the company isn't going to give him the raise (??) and that he has to join this national grievance. ??

    So confuse.
  6. cmoll

    cmoll New Member

    Don't ever count on what the union or UPS says. Just cross your fingers and hope you get a retro check. My wife hates UPS almost as much as I do
  7. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    ....yet you stay here.....
  8. teamster 804

    teamster 804 Active Member

    Have to agree with cmoll.Working for this miserable thankless company will definitely make you hate working here.Paying dues to a Union that seems to be in your employers pocket.Will also create hate toward our union.The question is asked so why do you stay.Maybe most employees stay because they have a lot of years invested in this miserable place and it is not easy to walk away from the money.But I for one would not wish this job or this union on anyone.Way too much B/S from both sides.

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  9. upschuck

    upschuck Well-Known Member

    I don't see how they can deny the 70 cents. It says in no uncertain terms that he is entitled to it.
  10. Quigley

    Quigley Active Member

    Here we go again. Folks do a search before you post. This subject has been beat to death. Read the contract and if you dont think you are getting what you deserve call your BA. Asking here will get you five different answers.
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  11. saintrick

    saintrick Member

    He should get the .70 retro pay from Aug 1 till his 2 year progression rate kicked in.
  12. bumped

    bumped Well-Known Member

    I'm pretty sure whatever was top rate when he was hired on is locked in through his progression. When his 3rd year is up he makes current top rate at that time. He then receives raises at the scheduled times August 1st and February 1st(if applicable). He would not receive a raise check. Its hard to ask a supervisor because every contract has different rules for new hires such as after 1997 contract personal days are used from seniority date to seniority date. Before 1997 is May to May for personal days.
  13. ncupser82

    ncupser82 Active Member

    While in progression you don't get raises because you're progressing in pay! Once he gets top pay next year he will be up to whatever the top pay rate will be...for me it would be 33.69...also I was saying that they may be saying that he will be getting the retro check, because he will, technically, get that raise when he gets top in a round about way he's entitled to the retro check, but not the immediat raise...but to be clear they will not add .70 to what he's making right now, because that's not what his pay progression is!
  14. TooTechie

    TooTechie Geek in Brown

  15. upschuck

    upschuck Well-Known Member

    Art 41 Section 1 says
    The second to last sentence says they get the 70¢. If you do not get it, grieve, and get penalty pay too. How can anyone say anything to the contrary?
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  16. grgrcr88

    grgrcr88 No It's not green grocer!

    According to my information here is the way it will work for him:

    Feb. 2012 start:$16.10
    Feb. 2013 (12 Months):$18.45
    Aug 2013 +$.70= $19.15
    Feb 2014 (24 months):$20.75
    Aug 2104 +$.70= $21.45
    Feb 2015 (36 months) Top Rate
    Aug 2015 +$.70

    He will get the retro check for the time of August 1 2013 to his seniority raise in February to $20.75. So he should get 7 months.
  17. Quigley

    Quigley Active Member

    Had another meeting this morning with the Center Manager and Business Agent. This is what was decided.
    If you were in progression prior to Aug 1 2013, you get the .70 raise. If after getting the .70 you stll make less then the new rate, then you go to the new rate.
    Example: Driver started June 2013 $16.10, after seniority $17.25, Aug 1 .70=$17.95, new rate is $18.75 so driver goes to $18.75.

    Now I know there will people here say thats all wrong. Thats fine if you want to get payed less then this, then do nothing. Me on the other hand will be happy to see my fellow drivers get the bigger checks.
  18. ncupser82

    ncupser82 Active Member

    Sounds fair to me! I was in progression 8 years ago so the language probably changed since then! I'm glad too because having to wait until the end of your progression to get your raise is bulldookie!

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  19. ups_wife

    ups_wife New Member

    This is what we're expecting them to say today - that he will get the $70/hr until his progression raise in February. It seems stupid to me that a driver who got his 24 month progression bump before august of 2013 makes more than my husband just because of timing. My understanding was that general pay rates would incrementally increase by the $.70/hr. no matter where in progression you were. It says that every seniority employee is entitled to those wage increase - it doesn't say "entitled to those increases unless their progression raise exceeds the $.70/hr of their previous pay rate". It says every employee is entitled to those increases. He is likely going to grieve it.
  20. The new drivers, will make a little more,off the bat. But he will make alot more than they do, in a short time!