Question; hypothetical situation

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by soberups, Apr 19, 2008.

  1. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

    Driver on country route delivers package to female customer and daughter. While delivering pkg, customers dog runs out into road and is hit by passing car, which speeds off. Dog is still alive but in horrible pain and injuries are obviously fatal. Nearest vet is 45 minutes away and to load dog into vehicle would make pain worse. Customer and daughter are borderline hysterical. Customer knows that dog must be euthanized but is emotionally unable to do it herself; customer gets her husbands rifle and asks driver to shoot dog for her. Driver does so out of compassion for customer and to end the suffering of the dog. Has this driver committed a terminable offense for violating UPS's no-weapons policy while on the job?
  2. Covemastah

    Covemastah Suspension Ovah !!! Tom is free FU Goodell !!

    no,he has morals
  3. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    Yes, what if the customer has second thoughts about it the next day. She calls in the next day saying you shot her dog. what if the dog could have been saved. You arn't a vet. Never shoot a customers dog.
  4. Load Stand

    Load Stand Guest

    Common sense would prevail I would say and no discipline should be we discipline drivers when they save people from burning houses? It's not like you ran in the house and got the gun either....
  5. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

    1. I never said the scenario happened to me.
    2. It doesnt always take a vet to know when a dogs injuries are terminal. Not meaning to be gross, but when the internal organs are coming out of the rectum and when the spine is broken and protruding thru the back, euthanasia is the only option.
  6. looper804

    looper804 Is it time to go home yet

    I say no,too many things can go wrong like the bullet richocheting and hitting the mother or daughter or your self.It may not take a vet to see that the dog isn't going to make it but leave those decisions to the professionals.You could call 911 and let them shoot it.
  7. Harley Rider

    Harley Rider 30 yrs & counting

    You know............ I look at it this way. You can say "what if " all day about any situation that comes up. If I am there and this particular situation came up, I would take the gun or a rock or whatever else I could find and put the dog out of its misery. I guess its the animal lover in me but I can't stand to see any animal suffer.
  8. wyobill

    wyobill New Member

    I would make sure I was on my time and not UPS. There's where you could get into trouble.
  9. mattwtrs

    mattwtrs Retired Senior Member

    Extremely tough call but I had almost the same thing happen back in the late 70's. The bad dog that always chased any car down the road was hit by another car as it was chasing my P600. It wasn't dead yet and the guy that hit it lived a few miles away, he said what should I do? I told him how it was a vehicle chaser and he said the same thing. We were out of sight of any houses (rural area) so I told him to forget anything happened and I'd take care of it. The rear tires of the P600 put the dog out of its misery, I loaded it up at dumped it at a strip job later in the day. No lethal weapons involved.

    BLACKBOX Life is a Highway...

    Shoot the dog? No. But I would've used the rifle butt so send the dog "express" to doggy heaven.
  11. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

    A strict interpretation of UPS's policy on weapons would result in the driver being terminated whether he fires the gun or not. He "posessed" it. I am curious as to whether or not the emergency nature of the situation would create an exception to the policy.
  12. HazMatMan

    HazMatMan New Member

    I don't think the driver would be fired because I think UPS's rule about weapons means "YOUR" weapon,(bringing it from home) and considering the circumstances about a wounded dog. Ok, new scenario, I get mugged going back to my package car by someone with a gun, there is a struggle, I get the gun and shoot the robber dead. Do I get terminated for posession?? Also, I may tell the lady that I may get into serious trouble if I shoot the dog and try to quickly get someone else to do it..
  13. RUiNed In Trace

    RUiNed In Trace New Member

    Although I would feel really bad both for the suffering animal and the owner, I would go no where near that weapon. I imagine just the incident of even holding the weapon and firing it would be grounds enough to be terminated, not to mention if something else was to go wrong as others have giving examples of.
    Even if it was the right thing to do on many levels, we have to remember this is a business, and businesses don't like liabilities. I doubt the company would be sympathetic to the situation, and me risking a good job that allows me to support my family is not worth me losing for some strangers dog that can't stay in the yard.
  14. rocket man

    rocket man Well-Known Member

    woff wof wo w ..........................:biting:
  15. Upslady20

    Upslady20 Member

    I would call the center manager and get permission to shoot the dog on my cell phone so I could prove I made the call.. document it on the diad to cover myself..
    I had a guy jump into my package car while I was in the back and refuse to get out.. also a rural area.. someone had come to shoot him... very redneck area.. I shut the door called the center got permission to take up to the remote sheriffs office. He was very thankful. And the guy with the gun walked right by the package car not realizing the was in the back. He was later arrested.
  16. 959Nanook

    959Nanook Member

    Don't know if you get fired but you can expect a civil lawsuit from the robber's family after the authorities are done with you depending upon what state you live in.
  17. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Wow, I guess my run isn't nearly as exciting as I thought it was.
  18. HazMatMan

    HazMatMan New Member

    Which is a shame considering i'd be defending myself.
  19. Shoot the dog, then the customer and her daughter, leave no witnesses
  20. cachsux

    cachsux Wah

    Hit it in the head with your Diad,duh.