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<blockquote data-quote="RoyalFlush" data-source="post: 726326" data-attributes="member: 27311"><p>Please show me where CFR 393 says a vehicle can not be operated if there is one item that does not meet the criteria listed in CFR 393. 393.1 states that it establishes the minimum requirements that a vehicle must be equipped with. A vehicle must be equipped is different than it can not be operated. Our vehicles go through DOT inspections everyday with items listed in 393 that don't work 100%. The DOT issues a repair order and then allows the vehicle to continue if defect does not exceed the out of service criteria. According to you the police are breaking the law??? You are giving you partners bad advice. There are many items that can be inoperative and the vehicle can still be legally operated.</p><p> </p><p>20% of the brakes can be inoperative</p><p>Headlights - not out of service criteria in day light</p><p>wipers - not out of service criteria in dry weather</p><p>marker light- not out of service criteria</p><p>one tail light - not out of service criteria</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkKey=090163348008f27d" target="_blank">http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkKey=090163348008f27d</a></p><p> </p><p><strong>Differences Between the Out-Of-Service Criteria & FMCSA’s Annual Inspection</strong></p><p>1. <em>Brake System</em>. </p><p>The Appendix G criteria rejects vehicles with any defective brakes, any air leaks, etc. The out-of-service criteria allows 20% defective brakes on non-steering axles and a certain latitude on air leaks before placing a vehicle out-of-service.</p><p>2. <em>Coupling Devices</em>. </p><p>Appendix G rejects vehicles with any fifth wheel mounting fastener missing or ineffective. The out-of-service criteria allows up to 20% missing or ineffective fasteners on frame mountings and pivot bracket mountings and 25% on sliderlatching fasteners. The out-of-service criteria also allows some latitude on cracked welds.</p><p>3. <em>Exhaust System</em>. </p><p>Appendix G follows Section 393.83 verbatim. The CVSA out-of-service criteria allows vehicles to exhaust forward of the dimensions given in Section 393.83 as long as the exhaust does not leak or exhaust under the chassis.</p><p>4. <em>Fuel System</em>. </p><p>Same for Appendix G and the out-of-service criteria.</p><p>5. <em>Lighting Devices</em>. </p><p>Appendix G requires all lighting devices required by section 393 to be operative at all times. The out-of-service criteria only requires one stop light and functioning turn signals on the rear most vehicle of a combination vehicle to be operative at all times. In addtion one operative head lamp and tail lamp are required during the hours of darkness.</p><p>6. <em>Safe Loading</em>. </p><p>Same for both Appendix G and the out-of-service criteria.</p><p>7. <em>Steering Mechanism</em>. </p><p>Steering lash requirements of Appendix G follows the new requirements of <a href="http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=r49CFR393.209#r49CFR393.209" target="_blank">§393.209</a>.</p><p>8. <em>Suspension</em>. </p><p>Appendix G follows the new requirements of <a href="http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=r49CFR393.207#r49CFR393.207" target="_blank">§393.207</a> which does not allow any broken leaves in a leaf spring assembly. The out-of-service criteria allows up to 25% broken or missing leaves before being placed out-of-service.</p><p>9. <em>Frame</em>. </p><p>The out-of-service criteria allows a certain latitude in frame cracks before placing a vehicle out-of-service. Appendix G follows the new requirements of 393.201 which does not allow any frame cracks.</p><p>10. <em>Tires</em>. </p><p>Appendix G follows the requirements of 393.75 which requires a tire tread depth of 4/32 inch on power unit steering axles and 2/32 inch on all other axles. The out-of-service criteria only requires 2/32 inch tire tread depth on power unit steering axles and 1/32 inch on all other axles.</p><p>11. <em>Wheel and Rims</em>. </p><p>The out-of-service criteria allows a certain amount latitude for wheel and rim cracks and missing or defective fasteners. Appendix G meets the requirements of the new 393.205 which does not allow defective wheels and rims non-effective nuts and bolts.</p><p>12. <em>Windshield Glazing</em>.</p><p>The out-of-service criteria places in a restricted service condition any vehicle that has a crack or discoloration in the windshield area lying within the sweep of the wiper on the drivers side and does not address the remaining area of the wind shield. Appendix G addresses requirements for the whole windshield as specified in 393.60.</p><p>13. <em>Windshield Wipers</em>. </p><p>Appendix G requires windshield wipers to be operative at all times. The out-of-service criteria only requires that the windshield wiper on the driver’s side to be inspected during inclement weather.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RoyalFlush, post: 726326, member: 27311"] Please show me where CFR 393 says a vehicle can not be operated if there is one item that does not meet the criteria listed in CFR 393. 393.1 states that it establishes the minimum requirements that a vehicle must be equipped with. A vehicle must be equipped is different than it can not be operated. Our vehicles go through DOT inspections everyday with items listed in 393 that don't work 100%. The DOT issues a repair order and then allows the vehicle to continue if defect does not exceed the out of service criteria. According to you the police are breaking the law??? You are giving you partners bad advice. There are many items that can be inoperative and the vehicle can still be legally operated. 20% of the brakes can be inoperative Headlights - not out of service criteria in day light wipers - not out of service criteria in dry weather marker light- not out of service criteria one tail light - not out of service criteria [URL]http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkKey=090163348008f27d[/URL] [B]Differences Between the Out-Of-Service Criteria & FMCSA’s Annual Inspection[/B] 1. [I]Brake System[/I]. The Appendix G criteria rejects vehicles with any defective brakes, any air leaks, etc. The out-of-service criteria allows 20% defective brakes on non-steering axles and a certain latitude on air leaks before placing a vehicle out-of-service. 2. [I]Coupling Devices[/I]. Appendix G rejects vehicles with any fifth wheel mounting fastener missing or ineffective. The out-of-service criteria allows up to 20% missing or ineffective fasteners on frame mountings and pivot bracket mountings and 25% on sliderlatching fasteners. The out-of-service criteria also allows some latitude on cracked welds. 3. [I]Exhaust System[/I]. Appendix G follows Section 393.83 verbatim. The CVSA out-of-service criteria allows vehicles to exhaust forward of the dimensions given in Section 393.83 as long as the exhaust does not leak or exhaust under the chassis. 4. [I]Fuel System[/I]. Same for Appendix G and the out-of-service criteria. 5. [I]Lighting Devices[/I]. Appendix G requires all lighting devices required by section 393 to be operative at all times. The out-of-service criteria only requires one stop light and functioning turn signals on the rear most vehicle of a combination vehicle to be operative at all times. In addtion one operative head lamp and tail lamp are required during the hours of darkness. 6. [I]Safe Loading[/I]. Same for both Appendix G and the out-of-service criteria. 7. [I]Steering Mechanism[/I]. Steering lash requirements of Appendix G follows the new requirements of [URL="http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=r49CFR393.209#r49CFR393.209"]§393.209[/URL]. 8. [I]Suspension[/I]. Appendix G follows the new requirements of [URL="http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=r49CFR393.207#r49CFR393.207"]§393.207[/URL] which does not allow any broken leaves in a leaf spring assembly. The out-of-service criteria allows up to 25% broken or missing leaves before being placed out-of-service. 9. [I]Frame[/I]. The out-of-service criteria allows a certain latitude in frame cracks before placing a vehicle out-of-service. Appendix G follows the new requirements of 393.201 which does not allow any frame cracks. 10. [I]Tires[/I]. Appendix G follows the requirements of 393.75 which requires a tire tread depth of 4/32 inch on power unit steering axles and 2/32 inch on all other axles. The out-of-service criteria only requires 2/32 inch tire tread depth on power unit steering axles and 1/32 inch on all other axles. 11. [I]Wheel and Rims[/I]. The out-of-service criteria allows a certain amount latitude for wheel and rim cracks and missing or defective fasteners. Appendix G meets the requirements of the new 393.205 which does not allow defective wheels and rims non-effective nuts and bolts. 12. [I]Windshield Glazing[/I]. The out-of-service criteria places in a restricted service condition any vehicle that has a crack or discoloration in the windshield area lying within the sweep of the wiper on the drivers side and does not address the remaining area of the wind shield. Appendix G addresses requirements for the whole windshield as specified in 393.60. 13. [I]Windshield Wipers[/I]. Appendix G requires windshield wipers to be operative at all times. The out-of-service criteria only requires that the windshield wiper on the driver’s side to be inspected during inclement weather. [/QUOTE]
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