Refund of Union Initiation Fee

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by MassWineGuy, Oct 20, 2014.

  1. MassWineGuy

    MassWineGuy Active Member

    I worked last peak as a seasonal driver. This meant paying union dues and an initiation fee despite not being covered at all by the union contract.

    Can I get any of this refunded?
     
  2. barnyard

    barnyard KTM rider Staff Member

    What did the union hall say when you called and asked them?
     
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  3. Not now dude. It's a year later.
     
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  4. iowa boy

    iowa boy Well-Known Member

    You were covered by the contract and offered all the protections of the contract even though you never officially became a member of the union. So no, you will not get a refund, especially after a year.
     
  5. MassWineGuy

    MassWineGuy Active Member

    Oh well, at least it wasn't the full amount of the fee. I was definitely not protected by the contract.
     
  6. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    The whiner does have a valid point. IMO seasonal help should not be required to pay union dues, let alone an initiation fee, and those that do and are not kept on after Peak should be entitled to a refund of any dues or initiation fees paid.

    Why anyone would wait nearly a year before asking this question is beyond me.
     
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  7. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

    Paypal me cash for $150.00 and I will get this straightened out for you.
     
  8. MassWineGuy

    MassWineGuy Active Member

    Whining? About the point you, yourself, admitted was valid, UPstate? I guess maybe I do whine sometimes. But not now.

    Why a year? Honestly, yes, I should have looked into this sooner. But also, I wasn't sure if I was going to work for UPS again or not. If so, I would have started paying the fees again.
     
  9. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    There is nothing worse than a disgruntled former employer who knows in his heart he did not put forth his best effort.
     
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  10. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    I disagreed with this post (again, as we rehash this annually) because these employees are working in a union shop, making a union negotiated wage, alongside other union employees.
    With this in mind, they should pay monthly dues while they are working.

    Where I agree, is in regards to the initiation fee.
    To me, the term initiation fee implies new membership and these employees have no chance of achieving this.

    In my local, they almost have it right where they take an initiation fee from any new employee, but will refund them their money if they don't work 30 days.
    This tends to be a well guarded secret by both the local and the company, as the local wants the money and company doesn't want their temporary worker quitting on the 29th day.
    I tell anybody who will listen, but inevitably hear tales of sour grapes annually when it's too late.
    If it were to be completely fair, the local would refund anybody who doesn't achieve seniority their initiation fee as they really never joined the union.
     
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  11. bleedinbrown58

    bleedinbrown58 ahhh....the mouth breathers

    You and I agree on very little...but you're right...this time.
     
  12. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt

    Absolutely.

    Let me offer my perspective.


    If the company disqualifies the person (before they attain seniority);

    And asks the Local for a refund, so be it.


    If the employee decides not pursue (further) employment and gives 2 weeks notice;

    And asks the Local for a refund, so be it.


    All others, sorry about your luck.

    Don't come back a year later.... and post here.... fishing for answers.



    -Bug-
     
  13. ChickenLegs

    ChickenLegs Safety Expert

    Do you have your receipt?:alien2:
     
  14. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Do you think seasonal employees should pay dues and/or initiation fees ?
     
  15. I do.
     
  16. ChickenLegs

    ChickenLegs Safety Expert

    No. It's theft. They pay and get nothing
     
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  17. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    That covered it.



    -Bug-
     
  18. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    I agree as long as there is full disclosure.

    These seasonal employees should be presented with the rules and options before it is too late.

    You say "all others, sorry about your luck"?
    Luck should have nothing to do with it.

    Why is it we are only concerned with public perception in regards to strikes?
     
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  19. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    Refund Union Dues?

    LOL ... baaaawaaahh!
     
  20. bleedinbrown58

    bleedinbrown58 ahhh....the mouth breathers

    It's been a year....get over it.