Until their wives go into labor
RENEGOTIATION ISP INS-OUTS
- Thread starter Exec32
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even then. i have several in that category. Face it. There's a steady stream od workers for whom it likely doesn't get better than Ground.
This is why X will be back in court defending themselves (hopefully it costs them millions again).
Actually its more complicated than that. What a contractor with that type of attitude fails to realize is how these actions that go unchallenged errowd your equity, and encourages the common abusive tactics towards their workers that are now standard among spineless contractors. I would rather sign it and #uck with them than roll over and screw your workers and say, well that's the way it is. You are part of the problem.
Remain or leave. X doesn't care. Wage your little battle. Hell, pay yourself $1 a day and the rest to your drivers if it makes you feel good. It doesn't make you part of the solution.
X prospers because they know they can find people like you, willing to compromise everything to be hand feed a business, call it yours, control everything you do. This tactic runs counter to the values of REAL BUSINESS ENTREPRENEURS, apparently you have never owned a business.
When this ends you will not succeed in the REAL business world.
Are you not.an ISP?
He never owned a business and still doesn't. He believes he does and he believes he is a great negotiator. Its actually hilarious!
No im not ISP still IC.
As you can tell I am frustrated. X wants us to solve all their problems going into transition, define my area, sell or buy, not know if your trucks will be accepted, invest in resources, all before you they dictate a preconceived rate under the guise of NEGOTIATIONS. WHAT a hoax....
You are.awfully critical of me and other contractors/ISP's here. I highly suggest you sell and get out. If you are banking on some kind of unified front of contractors to help in your decision, well I haven't seen any tangible evidence that something like that is forthcoming.
Still licking your wounds, eh?
You summed it all up. ISP still contains the same basic structure as IC. A former single route contractor I knew said it all just before he quit. "This is when you start. This is when you stop This is what you wear This is what you drive This is where you go. This is how you'll do it. Yet they call you an independent contractor What are they basing it on"?
Critical only in areas of prepective. I to believe the law should change, I also agree you can sign it or not. Where I differ on is the acceptance of how X proceeds very often outside the literal content of the contract and continues to be left unchallenged.
I don't expect a unified effort by contractors, only that it is possible, and until we really take that reality seriously it will only get worse for you and me.
Exec32, you are barking up the wrong tree.
Bbsam will not challenge anything X says, he is a good little puppet that will sign anything and everything that X puts in front of him. He will never admit that X has screwed him, it's blind love.
Keep in mind one thing. The lack of a contract with the ability to bind X to that language and the absence of a professional representative to negotiate in behalf of all contractors will be the downfall of those who remain. X will continue to take ISP's and play them off against one another in order to get the revenue concessions they want because the opportunity is there to get the money to fund their long range objectives and getting it is easy. So bbsam you can call upon Exec32 to sell out but at the same time I believe that due to the fact that the best profit years for the vast majority of contractors are behind them, I think that the best time is now for you to get out as well.
I haven't signed a schedule K in years and won't this year either. Of course you have no idea what that even means, do you?
But we don't really differ at all. I agree that X plays "fast and loose" while making legal definitions of the contract they wrote. Problem is that once you or I sign it, we've basically accepted that's how it will be. Legal battles, arbitration...all a headache. If that reality is too depressing,.then don't sign. If it's still better than anything else you got, then sign. You know the game they play. I'd love to believe the rules would change to benefit contractors but i have yet to see any indication of that.
I'm sure in your mind, by not signing schedule k you have won an epic battle and won another negotiation. Congrats!!
