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<blockquote data-quote="krash" data-source="post: 188990" data-attributes="member: 9636"><p>Cole,</p><p>You appear to be the most sensible APWA leaning individual here. Now, I find it hard to believe an organization is promising everything under the sun and no one questions the validity. Does this not strike you as to good to be true. These claims that "with what UPS pays in we could get 7k(?) a month after 30 years". What about insurance? Isn't the amount UPS pays into CS also go toward our insurance, not retirement alone. Now is the mighty APWA going to ask for a separate contribution for insurance. Well, I'm straying from what I really want to get to. OK, UPS is "BIG". Now if you were gonna start such an adventure as APWA, why go for the whole kit and caboodle all at once? My goodness, they are also trying to organize UPSF at the same time. Talk about too much on your plate at once. Why not go after there respective hubs first and bring to the masses the contract that they claim they will get. Heck, I could even see them going for as much as the state of NC but not the whole country. That way you can grow from there and work out the bugs. But this idea of all at once is a disaster waiting to happen and if they are successful in getting enough nationwide(in my lifetime), chaos, confusion and repercussions is sure to follow. We are talking about getting people in place nation wide to handle grievances and protect the members during the transition phase. Heck, we have trouble getting stewards now. I seriously doubt they will live up to there propaganda nor that they will succeed in getting enough to follow them. But I fear the day that they are able to achieve the total decertification. I will be seeking employment elsewhere if they do. </p><p>Some have mentioned they have 22 states(?). Well why not go ahead and get those out now to show the validity behind the claim? Allspin claims UPS would still have to recognize the current contract even though we'd no longer be Teamsters. So what's to loose? I do not believe they are out to re-organize us after a decert. I honestly believe they are out to rid UPS of organized labor. Then they will weed out the most die hard unionist which will put enough fear in the rest that they will not stand up to rejoin the Teamsters or any other Union. They will all fall in line so as not to loose there job. There is too many signs to believe other wise.</p><p>Thanks for your time Cole and the level headiness you show in your post. Although we may disagree, I respect the way you present yourself.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="krash, post: 188990, member: 9636"] Cole, You appear to be the most sensible APWA leaning individual here. Now, I find it hard to believe an organization is promising everything under the sun and no one questions the validity. Does this not strike you as to good to be true. These claims that "with what UPS pays in we could get 7k(?) a month after 30 years". What about insurance? Isn't the amount UPS pays into CS also go toward our insurance, not retirement alone. Now is the mighty APWA going to ask for a separate contribution for insurance. Well, I'm straying from what I really want to get to. OK, UPS is "BIG". Now if you were gonna start such an adventure as APWA, why go for the whole kit and caboodle all at once? My goodness, they are also trying to organize UPSF at the same time. Talk about too much on your plate at once. Why not go after there respective hubs first and bring to the masses the contract that they claim they will get. Heck, I could even see them going for as much as the state of NC but not the whole country. That way you can grow from there and work out the bugs. But this idea of all at once is a disaster waiting to happen and if they are successful in getting enough nationwide(in my lifetime), chaos, confusion and repercussions is sure to follow. We are talking about getting people in place nation wide to handle grievances and protect the members during the transition phase. Heck, we have trouble getting stewards now. I seriously doubt they will live up to there propaganda nor that they will succeed in getting enough to follow them. But I fear the day that they are able to achieve the total decertification. I will be seeking employment elsewhere if they do. Some have mentioned they have 22 states(?). Well why not go ahead and get those out now to show the validity behind the claim? Allspin claims UPS would still have to recognize the current contract even though we'd no longer be Teamsters. So what's to loose? I do not believe they are out to re-organize us after a decert. I honestly believe they are out to rid UPS of organized labor. Then they will weed out the most die hard unionist which will put enough fear in the rest that they will not stand up to rejoin the Teamsters or any other Union. They will all fall in line so as not to loose there job. There is too many signs to believe other wise. Thanks for your time Cole and the level headiness you show in your post. Although we may disagree, I respect the way you present yourself. [/QUOTE]
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