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<blockquote data-quote="Cole" data-source="post: 189028" data-attributes="member: 9507"><p>Because to my understanding UPS must be under a single bargaining agent, so you can't just have a portion of it. The insurance issue you mentioned is a point of concern somewhat, but then again look at the part-timers, they have better insurance than most of us. The issue I have is someone did mention that Van said if UPS would give the insurance deal that they get in Ohio, he may let them handle that end, but I can't say he said that for sure. I just think all facts from every angle should be looked at.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Again from my understanding it must be a single bargaining agent, so it's all or none. As far as the propaganda, to me personally at first it seemed like a mere pipedream, but now that we know the mechanics under the machinists union have a substantially superior pension than us in the Teamsters, I can see more the pension can be done.</p><p> </p><p>Honestly you should call them and have a meeting, and bring all your questions and don't be bashful about asking the hard questions. It can be done respectfully, but ask what you want, because it is a huge step, and dangerous as well</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>One Van was very clear when we met with him that you can't work at UPS w/out a union, and of course we all know that. It's simply not a ma and pop operation. As far as why they don't release the info, I can only speculate that due to some of the connections to organized crime etc...there is alot of danger in coming out and basically giving ammo to those that would want to start the intimidation process, and let's not forget that there is alot of collusion with the company and union now in some areas and it's not unreasonable to believe that they could be putting people's jobs at risk.</p><p> </p><p>I can understand your thoughts about weeding out etc...they will have elections, and nothing guarantees anyone a job in the APWA that I know of. Founding charter members will have the right to vote out officers by a 2/3's majority.</p><p> </p><p>My personal concern is Van and Danny's experience in union affairs, because if they think UPS will roll over like a submissive puppy because the Teamsters are out (hypothetically), then they're being na'ive. I hope they are having the pro-union atty's going over everything Coleman does, because we all know how slippery some atty's can be. </p><p> </p><p>Nospin and some of you others, please let us know about some of these issues, and I will get info too.</p><p> </p><p>I read about the status quo that nospin wrote about and I believe he's being truthful, because we go through the same thing when our contract expires, and we're still negotiating so we stay under the old, until the new is ratified.</p><p> </p><p>With CS in bad shape like it is, how can they not expect the members to react like they are, especially in light of the history at CS? How can anyone save face with the effected members, and speak up for the Teamsters? The pension has awoken people I never heard complain about anything, and the end result will be massive withdrawals, and or the company asking for total control of the pension, and getting it. Some may think that is a good idea, but I sure don't.</p><p> </p><p>I appreciate your kind words to me, and I have learned to listen to people over the years rather than just cram my views on them. You have to earn respect before you get it, and everyone's opinion should matter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cole, post: 189028, member: 9507"] Because to my understanding UPS must be under a single bargaining agent, so you can't just have a portion of it. The insurance issue you mentioned is a point of concern somewhat, but then again look at the part-timers, they have better insurance than most of us. The issue I have is someone did mention that Van said if UPS would give the insurance deal that they get in Ohio, he may let them handle that end, but I can't say he said that for sure. I just think all facts from every angle should be looked at. Again from my understanding it must be a single bargaining agent, so it's all or none. As far as the propaganda, to me personally at first it seemed like a mere pipedream, but now that we know the mechanics under the machinists union have a substantially superior pension than us in the Teamsters, I can see more the pension can be done. Honestly you should call them and have a meeting, and bring all your questions and don't be bashful about asking the hard questions. It can be done respectfully, but ask what you want, because it is a huge step, and dangerous as well One Van was very clear when we met with him that you can't work at UPS w/out a union, and of course we all know that. It's simply not a ma and pop operation. As far as why they don't release the info, I can only speculate that due to some of the connections to organized crime etc...there is alot of danger in coming out and basically giving ammo to those that would want to start the intimidation process, and let's not forget that there is alot of collusion with the company and union now in some areas and it's not unreasonable to believe that they could be putting people's jobs at risk. I can understand your thoughts about weeding out etc...they will have elections, and nothing guarantees anyone a job in the APWA that I know of. Founding charter members will have the right to vote out officers by a 2/3's majority. My personal concern is Van and Danny's experience in union affairs, because if they think UPS will roll over like a submissive puppy because the Teamsters are out (hypothetically), then they're being na'ive. I hope they are having the pro-union atty's going over everything Coleman does, because we all know how slippery some atty's can be. Nospin and some of you others, please let us know about some of these issues, and I will get info too. I read about the status quo that nospin wrote about and I believe he's being truthful, because we go through the same thing when our contract expires, and we're still negotiating so we stay under the old, until the new is ratified. With CS in bad shape like it is, how can they not expect the members to react like they are, especially in light of the history at CS? How can anyone save face with the effected members, and speak up for the Teamsters? The pension has awoken people I never heard complain about anything, and the end result will be massive withdrawals, and or the company asking for total control of the pension, and getting it. Some may think that is a good idea, but I sure don't. I appreciate your kind words to me, and I have learned to listen to people over the years rather than just cram my views on them. You have to earn respect before you get it, and everyone's opinion should matter. [/QUOTE]
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