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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 880376" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>True enough and then some people vote purely on the matter of party affiliation. I can't speak exclusively for Sleeve but yes in my case I have no intentions of giving out my vote. It's my property in effect to do with as I please so I intend to withhold it's use by others who only misuse for their own purposes and never solve a damn thing or make anything better. Would you insist I give up my hard earned money on a clearly inferior product that everyone deep down in those most honest moments will admit won't make a damn difference. One side votes for their guy not really for the purpose of solving problems or making life better but just to make sure the other guy who they've been conditioned to fear doesn't get the office. And then the people who vote for that other person have likewise been conditioned on fear to vote just for nothing more than to keep your guy out. The reality is, regardless who wins the election, very little really changes but because you've been conditioned with so much fear, your guy is still a saint to their guy's devil incarnate.</p><p></p><p> The problem is, many can't or refuse to grasp that refusing to vote is an action of voting in itself. In an election primary with numerous candidates to pick from, I might look at candidates 1-9 and pick to vote for candidate 5 as the absolute best possible candidate. But in my decision process I determined the worse possible candidate to vote for was candidate #2 however it was candidate #2 who won the primary election and obtained the nomination. Now I can't see a dime's worth of difference between the incumbent and the nominee opponent Candidate #2 but you are going to insist I pick one or the other anyway just so in your mind I have some false illusion of a right to complain? Doesn't the fact your system is so tightly controlled and will rule over me regardless of my consent give me grounds enough to complain if I so chose? If I were allowed to completely and voluntarily opt out of all aspects and impact from you political system, you might have a very logical and rational compliant here but by the very nature that regardless of my unwillingness to support an election process or it's outcome, is your forcing me to do so not an act of authoritarianism? How are you any different from the hardcore socialist or communist who would use state power to achieve their ends in forcing me to their will?</p><p></p><p>Voting IMO only makes any real difference at the most local level and at the smallest possible scale. It is only at this level that a gov't form is allowed it's greatest reach because at this level both gov't and the people are it's closest to one another. Both can watch each other, enjoy the greatest transparency and have the freedom to react using the best solution to the most real circumstances. If you do find it necessary to resolve some mental need in going to the polls, then go but take the ballot they hand you and immediately walk over and turn in that blank ballot. Yes, you just voted for the best possible candidate of all, Mr. None-of-the-above!</p><p></p><p>Don't proclaim yourself a proponent of freedom and liberty is you deny me my right to exercise my right to vote or my right not to vote for the candidate(s) of my choice!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 880376, member: 2189"] True enough and then some people vote purely on the matter of party affiliation. I can't speak exclusively for Sleeve but yes in my case I have no intentions of giving out my vote. It's my property in effect to do with as I please so I intend to withhold it's use by others who only misuse for their own purposes and never solve a damn thing or make anything better. Would you insist I give up my hard earned money on a clearly inferior product that everyone deep down in those most honest moments will admit won't make a damn difference. One side votes for their guy not really for the purpose of solving problems or making life better but just to make sure the other guy who they've been conditioned to fear doesn't get the office. And then the people who vote for that other person have likewise been conditioned on fear to vote just for nothing more than to keep your guy out. The reality is, regardless who wins the election, very little really changes but because you've been conditioned with so much fear, your guy is still a saint to their guy's devil incarnate. The problem is, many can't or refuse to grasp that refusing to vote is an action of voting in itself. In an election primary with numerous candidates to pick from, I might look at candidates 1-9 and pick to vote for candidate 5 as the absolute best possible candidate. But in my decision process I determined the worse possible candidate to vote for was candidate #2 however it was candidate #2 who won the primary election and obtained the nomination. Now I can't see a dime's worth of difference between the incumbent and the nominee opponent Candidate #2 but you are going to insist I pick one or the other anyway just so in your mind I have some false illusion of a right to complain? Doesn't the fact your system is so tightly controlled and will rule over me regardless of my consent give me grounds enough to complain if I so chose? If I were allowed to completely and voluntarily opt out of all aspects and impact from you political system, you might have a very logical and rational compliant here but by the very nature that regardless of my unwillingness to support an election process or it's outcome, is your forcing me to do so not an act of authoritarianism? How are you any different from the hardcore socialist or communist who would use state power to achieve their ends in forcing me to their will? Voting IMO only makes any real difference at the most local level and at the smallest possible scale. It is only at this level that a gov't form is allowed it's greatest reach because at this level both gov't and the people are it's closest to one another. Both can watch each other, enjoy the greatest transparency and have the freedom to react using the best solution to the most real circumstances. If you do find it necessary to resolve some mental need in going to the polls, then go but take the ballot they hand you and immediately walk over and turn in that blank ballot. Yes, you just voted for the best possible candidate of all, Mr. None-of-the-above! Don't proclaim yourself a proponent of freedom and liberty is you deny me my right to exercise my right to vote or my right not to vote for the candidate(s) of my choice! [/QUOTE]
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