RICK PERRY'S very own Jerimiah Wright!

[The Other Side]

Oh boy, RICK PERRY has his own Jerimiah Wright on his hands!!

Rev. Robert Jeffress, the senior pastor of the First Baptist Church in Dallas, who endorsed Perry on Friday and introduced him before a heavily evangelical Christian audience at the Values Voter Summit in Washington, made the controversial comment.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?friend=/c/a/2011/10/07/MNRI1LF0SB.DTL

Jeffress said ""Rick Perry is a Christian," Jeffress said. "He's an evangelical Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ. Mitt Romney's a good, moral person, but he's not a Christian. Mormonism is not Christianity. It has always been considered a cult by the mainstream of Christianity."

This guy is the kind of right wing christian kook that makes people turn away from churches. The right wing christians always get more aggressive during elections and appear as bad as radical muslims. They begin to attack each other and hold politics as there battleground.

Liberals dont care what other liberals believe in. Its none of our business. The right wing needs these nuts to try and gain power, but it always has the opposite effect.

Jeffress introduced PERRY and now PERRY's people are trying to run away from this nut. Sorry Perry, too late. Your tied to this kook.

Peace.

 

[island1fox]

TOS,

Wow!! Hard to believe. In my own thoughtful way I will deduct that you are no longer "The other side" but now can claim"See both sides". It is very easy to ascertain from your post that you believe both preachers are "Kooks"

About the same thing I have been saying about the majority of our politicians Right and Left. It is truly a great and liberating experience when you can call things as they really are without the partisan spin.

 

[moreluck]

I didn't know the "rev." was running for anything !!!

 

[The Other Side]

I didn't know the "rev." was running for anything !!!

The only thing he is running is his mouth moreluck... something you can relate to.


Peace.

 

[moreluck]

This from the duchess of diarrhea diatribe !

 

[brett636]

While I disagree with this preacher atleast he isn't damning American from the pulpit. And has Perry sat in these pews for the last 20 years listening to this? I thought not.

 

[The Other Side]

This from the duchess of diarrhea diatribe !

Thanks for the admission!

Peace-ola

 

[The Other Side]

While I disagree with this preacher atleast he isn't damning American from the pulpit. And has Perry sat in these pews for the last 20 years listening to this? I thought not.

He also isnt black, he also wasnt held back by a white populist all his life, he also had civil rights prior to the 60's , whereas J Wrights experience was much different , thus, the difference of opinion/perspective.

There is no comparision.

Jeffress simply exposed what is wrong with the christian base of this country. Its failure to accept other religious freedoms other than there own. On FOXED SPEWS this morning, JEFFRESS qouted JOHN JAY, one of the founders and the first supreme court chief justice as saying we should elect christians as our leaders.

He is both right and wrong. As Chief Justice, he never said that, as a founder, he presented that concept to the others and was SHUT DOWN by Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, Paine and overruled. He attemted to pass a bill that would require all politicians in elected office be christians, and that idea was REJECTED.

To say this today, shows how radical right wing christians can be. There is nothing wrong with being a christian, but being a christian who refuses to accept the beliefs of others is just as bad as a jihadist.

Peace.

 

[moreluck]

It was your title....I dubbed you!

 

[bbsam]

While I disagree with this preacher atleast he isn't damning American from the pulpit. And has Perry sat in these pews for the last 20 years listening to this? I thought not.

Now that is an absolute mis-charaterization of what Rev. Wright said but still you polute the truth with the same old Fox crap. I'm not sure you can be an evangelical and not agree with what Wright truly said. There was an "if" in Wright's statement, but of course the truth is inconvenient, isn't it?

 

[trplnkl]

He also isnt black, he also wasnt held back by a white populist all his life, he also had civil rights prior to the 60's , whereas J Wrights experience was much different , thus, the difference of opinion/perspective.

There is no comparision.

Jeffress simply exposed what is wrong with the christian base of this country. Its failure to accept other religious freedoms other than there own. On FOXED SPEWS this morning, JEFFRESS qouted JOHN JAY, one of the founders and the first supreme court chief justice as saying we should elect christians as our leaders.

He is both right and wrong. As Chief Justice, he never said that, as a founder, he presented that concept to the others and was SHUT DOWN by Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, Paine and overruled. He attemted to pass a bill that would require all politicians in elected office be christians, and that idea was REJECTED.

To say this today, shows how radical right wing christians can be. There is nothing wrong with being a christian, but being a christian who refuses to accept the beliefs of others is just as bad as a jihadist.

Peace.

Well well, look who doesn't understand..... You just don't understand Christianity do ya.

Jeffress didn't expose anything about Christianity but he sure let the cover of denominational prejudices show. There is a common misconception that all Christians think they are perfect in every way. Oh but nay nay, a Christian knows full well they are not perfect in anyway. A Christian doesn't call for damnation of their fellow man, but leaves that to the judgment of God.

As you worded what Jeffress said about John Jay was simply correct, not both right and wrong. Jay was indeed the first Chief Justice and a FF and did say that all elected officials should be Christians. As you worded it, he didn't say Jay spoke those words as a CJotSC.

You are correct that there is no comparison between this Jeffress and Wright, Wright condemns the USA from his pulpit ans Jeffress says another person is not a Christian. Neither, IMO, should be said but one does kinda out weigh the other in intent and in application.

Thru the Bible Christians are told to dis-fellowship preachers of false doctrine. Just sayin'.


Personally I don't agree with what Jeffress said and it isn't up to him to decide who is or isn't a Christian.
As far as I can tell the Mormon religion is indeed Christ teachings based.

When comparing the different types of apples for quality taste, do you often sunkist oranges bring into the conversation?

 

[bbsam]

"...as long as she acts like God and she is supreme." How can an Evangelical Christian not call for the damnation of a society that puts itself above God? Are we Pharoh? Do we not worship idols and proclaim ourselves the "One superpower"? When faced with Jonah's message, do we put on sack-cloths? Oh, hell no! We stone the messenger and proclaim ourselves ever greater for it.

 

[brett636]

Now that is an absolute mis-charaterization of what Rev. Wright said but still you polute the truth with the same old Fox crap. I'm not sure you can be an evangelical and not agree with what Wright truly said. There was an "if" in Wright's statement, but of course the truth is inconvenient, isn't it?

That is exactly what he said and there is plenty of video proof of this. The man is UnAmerican so its not surprising that our UnAmerican President concedes that man is his mentor and nearly a member of his own family.

 

[The Other Side]

That is exactly what he said and there is plenty of video proof of this. The man is UnAmerican so its not surprising that our UnAmerican President concedes that man is his mentor and nearly a member of his own family.

This is why you cant be taken seriously.

Rev wrights statements makes him AN AMERICAN. Whatever he said, right or wrong is protected free speech, you know what that is right? The crap you listen to everyday on foxed or right wing radiO.

What is unamerican is a person trying to take the rights of free speech away from another. You can disagree with Rev Wright, but you can silence him.

Peace

 

[bbsam]

That is exactly what he said and there is plenty of video proof of this. The man is UnAmerican so its not surprising that our UnAmerican President concedes that man is his mentor and nearly a member of his own family.

There are also transcripts. "...as long as she acts like God and she is supreme." His claim is that America is placing itself as not, "one nation under God" but one nation above all others, God included. While his vision leaves out much of the truth and there is much that is debatable, he is an American and putting forth a legitimate if rather radical theology. That you don't like him or agree with him doesn't make him any more un-American than you.

 

[trplnkl]

I don't think anyone said he (rev. Wright) didn't have the right to say that or that he should be silenced. But with that kind of radical raving I don't want the President of the US being influenced by that kind thinking.

There is much debatable in what Rev Wright preaches for many stand points.

 

[bbsam]

I don't think anyone said he (rev. Wright) didn't have the right to say that or that he should be silenced. But with that kind of radical raving I don't want the President of the US being influenced by that kind thinking.

There is much debatable in what Rev Wright preaches for many stand points.

Calling someone "un-American" is akin to saying that he should be silenced. And I would suggest that the preaching of pastors of any stripe may have less influence on the congregation than you think. People may walk out of a service on Sunday morning considering the evils and destruction brought about by pornography, but that doesn't mean they will change their "favorites" list on the tool bar.

 

[trplnkl]

Calling someone "un-American" is akin to saying that he should be silenced. And I would suggest that the preaching of pastors of any stripe may have less influence on the congregation than you think. People may walk out of a service on Sunday morning considering the evils and destruction brought about by pornography, but that doesn't mean they will change their "favorites" list on the tool bar.

Oh, but calling someone a racist is not an attempt to silence someone? You just about had me convinced that being called a racist was OK, but now you are either changing your mind or not applying your logic equally.


Your idea of not taking everything a preacher says to heart is probably pretty close for the average parishioner, but in this case 0bama himself said Wright was his mentor. People usually take their mentor's words pretty seriously.

 

[bbsam]

Oh, but calling someone a racist is not an attempt to silence someone? You just about had me convinced that being called a racist was OK, but now you are either changing your mind or not applying your logic equally.


Your idea of not taking everything a preacher says to heart is probably pretty close for the average parishioner, but in this case 0bama himself said Wright was his mentor. People usually take their mentor's words pretty seriously.

Hmmmm. I don't recall calling you a racist. What I questioned was how you took what was said as personal, as if what one person or group of persons from Hollywood said about elements of the Tea Party naturally meant you. That would be like you saying something negative about a union and me being upset about it. Why would I care? Though you call me a lefty, I have nothing to do with unions and am not all that impressed with them.

And my pastor is may mentor, but that doesn't mean I'm ready to learn all the lessons that I admit I probably should seize on. Some sin is just so delicious.

 

[trplnkl]

Hmmmm. I don't recall calling you a racist. What I questioned was how you took what was said as personal, as if what one person or group of persons from Hollywood said about elements of the Tea Party naturally meant you. That would be like you saying something negative about a union and me being upset about it. Why would I care? Though you call me a lefty, I have nothing to do with unions and am not all that impressed with them.

And my pastor is may mentor, but that doesn't mean I'm ready to learn all the lessons that I admit I probably should seize on. Some sin is just so delicious.

I didn't say you had called me anything. I didn't take the racist slur about the tea party personal, I was addressing the race issue generically mostly. I'm not a Tea Party member, but do think there have been some positive things come from the "ideal" of the TP. However, when someone of prominence publicly says that the TP in a bunch of racists I do get offended by the statement. This is partially because their voice, whether justified or not, carries a weight with too many people. That is something I don't understand the whys of.

All lefties don't necessarily support unions though most do. The only reason I refer to you as a lefty is that most of the positions you post here are left inclined. If we wanted to get to the root of it, I'm not a republican either. The last election here, which included positions on every level of government, I cast ballots for Republicans, Democrats and Libertarians and one Independent.

Just so you know, I do not support calling someone "unamerican" (unless they have clearly committed treasonous acts) anymore than I do "racist".