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<blockquote data-quote="AssistantSanta" data-source="post: 919542" data-attributes="member: 38503"><p>It's my time and effort and I can do whatever I want with it. If you think its stupid, then you will think what you will. Ability to think and do things that someone else disagrees with or finds stupid is FREEDOM, which I hope you believe in.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I do now, but a month ago I didn't have a clear understanding, neither did you. The fact is, before I corrected you, you believed that one can be required to join the union in order to work in some states before I corrected you. It was cleared up after you did some research, so I don't automatically assume you did this with malice to trick people. Just as you believed that was true, there are people out there who thinks so too. </p><p></p><p>So, you learned the correct fact here. Other new prospects and hires may come across this thread and clear the misconception they've been instilled. If they don't believe me, I at least hope that it inspires them(as it did you) to go verify it against credible sources; rather than blindly believing what they were told at new work place or what I said. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I wish I knew this well in advance. How many of the seasonal hires are advised of this straight up? </p><p> I'm not advocating them to do one way or the other, but I hope that this is informative in helping them understand the options they have and to make that choice for themselves.</p><p></p><p>How many temp helpers end up chalking up the dues they paid as irrecoverable cost? Do they give it up voluntarily after having been advised of the said option upfront? I sure wasn't and that's a total shame! </p><p></p><p></p><p>You do realize that "contract" you believe in is negotiated right? Negotiation is multiple parties expressing their own needs and coming to an agreement that all can agree on. It is not one side saying what they want to say and refusing to have any of the other parties say. </p><p></p><p>I think that my posts convey my side of argument clearly. If not, I did the best I can <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-shortname=";)" /> <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-shortname=";)" /> please ask. I can't guarantee the result, but <em>I WILL DO THE BEST I CAN</em> to clarify it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We were not given the opportunity to take the paperwork home to complete at our own pace nor a number to call with questions. </p><p></p><p>If I read all the terms & conditions printed in their favor in 3 point font on streaky photocopied page in legalese and asked a whole bunch of questions I might have caught it, but I didn't. I must be ignorant. It's just my opinion but putting people in this position is unconscionable. </p><p></p><p>You know, like credit card interest policies that say all late payments get applied to the lowest interest rate loan first so that highest interest loan stays in delinquency as long as possible. When you break out the agreement and go through with a fine toothed comb several times you might find it somewhere. </p><p></p><p>Again, all they've had to do was to put these relevant facts on front page in normal font in plain language. </p><p></p><p>By the way, isn't it lovely when someone have you sign something that reads "please see reverse side for all terms & conditions" and the back side isn't even printed, yet when you ask them to produce it, they can't locate it? They get you to sign it to get you through the moment and when something goes wrong, that magic backside gets found and they'll find out something phrased in their favor to leave you hanging. </p><p></p><p>If I was to treat everyone with presumption of malice, read every word single word before signing and ask questions about everything I don't understand(which in many cases the person I'm interacting won't be able to answer) I'll catch many things, but I don't like doing that. </p><p></p><p>So, long answer short I feel that an organization that says to be advocating for employees should have everything laid out for employees in PLIAN ENGLISH and all the key points in large font. I think its only fair to make avail all options with ease. So, this means</p><p>"Yes/No"</p><p>Not, by "default it is yes. For any other option you have to figure out who to contact, then from there you've got to make the right contact to opt out"</p><p></p><p>I believe in honesty. I don't think writing up a contract that opts someone in for the writer's favor and burying the other options in legal mumbo jumbo or omitting entirely is honest.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AssistantSanta, post: 919542, member: 38503"] It's my time and effort and I can do whatever I want with it. If you think its stupid, then you will think what you will. Ability to think and do things that someone else disagrees with or finds stupid is FREEDOM, which I hope you believe in. I do now, but a month ago I didn't have a clear understanding, neither did you. The fact is, before I corrected you, you believed that one can be required to join the union in order to work in some states before I corrected you. It was cleared up after you did some research, so I don't automatically assume you did this with malice to trick people. Just as you believed that was true, there are people out there who thinks so too. So, you learned the correct fact here. Other new prospects and hires may come across this thread and clear the misconception they've been instilled. If they don't believe me, I at least hope that it inspires them(as it did you) to go verify it against credible sources; rather than blindly believing what they were told at new work place or what I said. I wish I knew this well in advance. How many of the seasonal hires are advised of this straight up? I'm not advocating them to do one way or the other, but I hope that this is informative in helping them understand the options they have and to make that choice for themselves. How many temp helpers end up chalking up the dues they paid as irrecoverable cost? Do they give it up voluntarily after having been advised of the said option upfront? I sure wasn't and that's a total shame! You do realize that "contract" you believe in is negotiated right? Negotiation is multiple parties expressing their own needs and coming to an agreement that all can agree on. It is not one side saying what they want to say and refusing to have any of the other parties say. I think that my posts convey my side of argument clearly. If not, I did the best I can ;) ;) please ask. I can't guarantee the result, but [I]I WILL DO THE BEST I CAN[/I] to clarify it. We were not given the opportunity to take the paperwork home to complete at our own pace nor a number to call with questions. If I read all the terms & conditions printed in their favor in 3 point font on streaky photocopied page in legalese and asked a whole bunch of questions I might have caught it, but I didn't. I must be ignorant. It's just my opinion but putting people in this position is unconscionable. You know, like credit card interest policies that say all late payments get applied to the lowest interest rate loan first so that highest interest loan stays in delinquency as long as possible. When you break out the agreement and go through with a fine toothed comb several times you might find it somewhere. Again, all they've had to do was to put these relevant facts on front page in normal font in plain language. By the way, isn't it lovely when someone have you sign something that reads "please see reverse side for all terms & conditions" and the back side isn't even printed, yet when you ask them to produce it, they can't locate it? They get you to sign it to get you through the moment and when something goes wrong, that magic backside gets found and they'll find out something phrased in their favor to leave you hanging. If I was to treat everyone with presumption of malice, read every word single word before signing and ask questions about everything I don't understand(which in many cases the person I'm interacting won't be able to answer) I'll catch many things, but I don't like doing that. So, long answer short I feel that an organization that says to be advocating for employees should have everything laid out for employees in PLIAN ENGLISH and all the key points in large font. I think its only fair to make avail all options with ease. So, this means "Yes/No" Not, by "default it is yes. For any other option you have to figure out who to contact, then from there you've got to make the right contact to opt out" I believe in honesty. I don't think writing up a contract that opts someone in for the writer's favor and burying the other options in legal mumbo jumbo or omitting entirely is honest. [/QUOTE]
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