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<blockquote data-quote="AssistantSanta" data-source="post: 923245" data-attributes="member: 38503"><p><strong>WOW!!</strong>. This is just wrong. How is it that a contract with illegal language can get ratified? This is like having employees sign a contract saying "if you're caught stealing, you grant us permission to cut your hand off". Such a contract is unenforceable but I don't think it will stay on the employment contract very long before someone raises a hell about it.</p><p></p><p>If UPS was to require employee to sign anti-union thing such as participation in union will result in a termination, union will raise hell about it, and justly so. Union at the same time have no right to write up such a manipulative and malicious contract.</p><p></p><p>Clearly most new hires won't have the knowledge to know it is wrong. </p><p></p><p>How does it look to arbitrator when there is a dispute and it is discovered that it is written in abusive terms like this one? </p><p></p><p>So if union truly believe in itself that it is really looking in the best interest of employees, I wonder why it feels the need to coerce employees through deceit to manipulate through fear of termination to join them. If it was so wonderful, wouldn't you think that they would voluntarily choose to do so?</p><p></p><p>I can clearly see those who have vested interest in contribution towards H&W and pension have a reason to do whatever means necessary to get new hires to join, especially in Right-To-Work state so that they'll be falsely believed into payment towards union is required. </p><p>That "supplement" is extremely shady to say the least.</p><p></p><p>Anyways, for the new hires or anyone confused if its required to join the union or not...</p><p></p><p></p><p>Taft-Hartley Act of 1947 outlawed closed union shop, that is, a place of employment that requires union membership in order to work. In United States, statutory law (government imposed law) trumps any contract language or customary law when there is a conflict. Your boss makes you sign a document that say you will allow any boss to have sex with you without any right to object. Even if you sign it, statutory law trumps it, therefore it is unenforceable. </p><p></p><p>You can work wherever you want without joining union and not joining union does not affect employment. </p><p>In RTW state, you are not required to pay a dime into union. In non-RTW, you are required to pay the cost towards collective bargaining, however if it is your choice to not join, its in your best interest to request them to specifically calculate "agency payer dues" as not doing so may get you assessed for full dues. As an Agency Fee payer, you're NOT a member of the union, therefore, you're not bound under UNION RULES. Though, there is no guarantee you will not become a victim of work place violence, the union holds no lawful power to discipline you. </p><p></p><p>If you have any questions, post it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AssistantSanta, post: 923245, member: 38503"] [B]WOW!![/B]. This is just wrong. How is it that a contract with illegal language can get ratified? This is like having employees sign a contract saying "if you're caught stealing, you grant us permission to cut your hand off". Such a contract is unenforceable but I don't think it will stay on the employment contract very long before someone raises a hell about it. If UPS was to require employee to sign anti-union thing such as participation in union will result in a termination, union will raise hell about it, and justly so. Union at the same time have no right to write up such a manipulative and malicious contract. Clearly most new hires won't have the knowledge to know it is wrong. How does it look to arbitrator when there is a dispute and it is discovered that it is written in abusive terms like this one? So if union truly believe in itself that it is really looking in the best interest of employees, I wonder why it feels the need to coerce employees through deceit to manipulate through fear of termination to join them. If it was so wonderful, wouldn't you think that they would voluntarily choose to do so? I can clearly see those who have vested interest in contribution towards H&W and pension have a reason to do whatever means necessary to get new hires to join, especially in Right-To-Work state so that they'll be falsely believed into payment towards union is required. That "supplement" is extremely shady to say the least. Anyways, for the new hires or anyone confused if its required to join the union or not... Taft-Hartley Act of 1947 outlawed closed union shop, that is, a place of employment that requires union membership in order to work. In United States, statutory law (government imposed law) trumps any contract language or customary law when there is a conflict. Your boss makes you sign a document that say you will allow any boss to have sex with you without any right to object. Even if you sign it, statutory law trumps it, therefore it is unenforceable. You can work wherever you want without joining union and not joining union does not affect employment. In RTW state, you are not required to pay a dime into union. In non-RTW, you are required to pay the cost towards collective bargaining, however if it is your choice to not join, its in your best interest to request them to specifically calculate "agency payer dues" as not doing so may get you assessed for full dues. As an Agency Fee payer, you're NOT a member of the union, therefore, you're not bound under UNION RULES. Though, there is no guarantee you will not become a victim of work place violence, the union holds no lawful power to discipline you. If you have any questions, post it. [/QUOTE]
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