Right to work state

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by bumped, Dec 17, 2010.

  1. bumped

    bumped Well-Known Member

    Governor Elect, Scott Walker, from Wisconsin want to make Wisconsin a right to work state. What are the advantages/disadvantages?
     
  2. Anonymous 10

    Anonymous 10 Guest

    There are no advantages period
     
  3. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    The advantage of being in a right to work state (notice I typed it in its plural form) is that the union has more incentive to perform their duties due to the fact that they are having to prove themselves to non dues paying employee in order to increase membership, therefore, increasing the amount of dues coming in. The disadvantages...well...too many to list.
     
  4. bumped

    bumped Well-Known Member

    Does the union have to represent the non paying member?
     
  5. bbsam

    bbsam Moderator Staff Member

    Notice that to 407, that also is a disadvantag.
     
  6. Anonymous 10

    Anonymous 10 Guest

    ???
     
  7. bbsam

    bbsam Moderator Staff Member

    Do you agree or disagree with this statement? Does a right to work state put more heat on the union to perform and if so is it a good thing?
     
  8. yeldarb

    yeldarb Member

    The union has to represent the non paying members, however, might not work as hard, to help the non paying dues employee out.
     
  9. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    Yes. But, do they really? One can never be sure.
     
  10. midwestmess

    midwestmess Member

    The union has to represent you its called DFR (duty free representation) if they don't represent you equally then they can face a lawsuit. Those that are not union are just reaping the benefits that union employees pay to get a fair contract negotiated.
     
  11. Old International

    Old International Now driving a Sterling

    You also get to save the union dues each month. Comes out to 2 tanks of gas a month. For a driver that does his job, and has little or no need for union representation, it would prolly be a good deal.
     
  12. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    Selfish Parasite! :wink2:
     
  13. MobileBA

    MobileBA Member

    Everyone should be able to opt out of the Union, then we can rely on the generosity of UPS corporate for the wages and benefits that you know they we continue to pay us.

    "You also get to save the union dues each month. Comes out to 2 tanks of gas a month. For a driver that does his job, and has little or no need for union representation, it would prolly be a good deal."

    Maybe the first thing the company would do is slow the growth of wages and benefits equivalent to what you were paying in Union dues (there goes those two tanks of gas) and then we start down that slippery slope because there will always be an excuse to why we should do with less. Bad economy, slow growth, volume is down, profit-loss margin.......blah.....blah. Then you will wake up one morning realizing your working for minimum wage (hyperbola) and wishing we had a Union and didn't live in a right to work environment.
     
  14. Jones

    Jones fILE A GRIEVE! Staff Member

    Well said. You don't know what you got til it's gone.
     
  15. JonFrum

    JonFrum Member

    Actually it's called Duty of Fair Representation. "Duty Free" is for certain goods carried thru an international airport.
    Isn't this what UPS has been doing since 1982 when they slashed wages for the majority of it's Teamster-represented employees who are not Top-Rate Drivers?

    The Starting Wage of $8.50 is already below the Minimum Wage in at least one state, and will be in more states as the Contract Years tick by. And if you subtract dues and initiation fees from those wages, then even more part-timers are effectively making below Minimum Wage, with little or no benefits.
     
  16. Kae3106

    Kae3106 Active Member

    If an employee is working in a state with a minimum wage higher than the $8.50 starting contract rate, they start at the state minimum rate. No one is paid less than the state minimum wage per hour. After tax/dues/fees take home pay may be less but the hourly rate is at least the minimum wage in each state.
     
  17. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    I'd say that this an accurate statement but incomplete in its content.
    UPS part time employees out number the full time/top scale drivers and 22.3's combined.
    They have the voting power to change their circumstances but repeatedly choose not exercise their voice in ratifying a contract.
    This is why it is what it is.
     
  18. FracusBrown

    FracusBrown Ponies and Planes

    We all know the union is 100% honest and legit and they would never fail to perform thier obligations to the fullest extent possible, even in a right to work state for a non-paying represented employee. After all, it is the law. They are legally oligated to represnet non-union members in the same way they represnet union employees.

    By the way, have you ever heard of a non-paying employee being represnted by the union in an arbitration?
     
  19. grgrcr88

    grgrcr88 No It's not green grocer!

    I am a Steward in a right to work state. I will give 100% to every member that needs represented. Most of the time I have no idea that they are non members because I try to be impartial. However, once I find out they are not members and I helped them out, I will take them a membership aplication and ask them to join. I will explain the benefits we help them to have and leave them the application. So far we are 99% members in my center and the only reason we are not 100% is the seasonal drivers that have not gained seniority.
     
  20. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member


    We have "stewards" that don't give 100% to non union employees. It is silly and counterproductive. Especially when they straight up tell them that they "can't help them out" unless they join. I don't think they know thats illegal. Either way......you'd think they'd realize that not performing their duties at 100% isn't a good way to sell them on joining.