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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 272083" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Good question D but in this day and age I don't have the answer. Ron has insisted he won't go independent in the General election but we've seen all to often before. It will be a big test for Ron if that scenario comes into play.</p><p> </p><p>As to your 2nd part, Ron has drawn a following and to what extent that following is, we won't truly know until the primaries start coming into play. You can bet if the party number crunchers see Ron getting a much higher % than previous thought and then the actual count of those numbers show a good count and the indication that thse numbers will go elsewhere in the general election, I'm not saying Ron gets a VP offer but he may be allowed a more visible advisory role which IMO he should decline. As soon as the election is over and not needed, he will be cast aside.</p><p> </p><p>As the big guns really haven't attacked Ron yet. He's seen almost in a carnival sideshow fashion in this whole process but if he scores top 5 and especially top 3, I predict the Ron Paul Camp will see a Neo-Con D-Day invasion. The Brothel owner endorsement for example will be nothing as the "Forces of God" comes out of the woodwork with all kinds of unsavory characters who have made public comment favorable to Ron. At least, that's what I think will happen.</p><p> </p><p>livinitup,</p><p>The real differences between the republican and democrats is so shallow that a Ron Paul WH would so threaten the status quo that in their world you'd think both parties had become one as they would override Ron's vetos like a champion hotdog eater wolf's down a pot of Nathan's hotdogs. Party politics and agendas would fall by the wayside as we watch those loyal to the system, hardcore so-called liberal democrats walking hand in hand with hardcore so-called conservative republicans who in almost unnamious stride override the President time and time again. I'd love to see it happen just so every American could once and forall see Washington for what it really is.</p><p> </p><p>Where Ron can be effective is dismantling the gov't via the pen of Executive Orders. Much of gov't today is more a result of executive orders from the President than anything else. Executive Orders have been around since 1789' and are justified in law with small vague sections in the US Constitution in Art II, Sec. 1 Clause 1 and Art. II, Sec. 3 and I think Clause 3 or 4. It's been a while so not positive on the exact clauses but if you look and can't see it, look for the words "Executive Power" (sec. 1) and then "careful execution of the law" (sec. 3) and there is where the power derives from. </p><p> </p><p>There is a process for all of this from the 1946 Adminstrative Procedures Act found in Title 5 starting in Sec. 500 but Ron can kill a lot of gov't with the stroke of his pen as it was a former President's pen who begin it. If you (or especially Diesel) are freaking that my anarcho-capitalist utopia will come into full view, I wouldn't freak just yet. What I suspect would happen is the Congress will take up these matters as it should have been in the first place in the Constitutional mandate of legislative process and the direct voice of the people instead of an old means that in earlier times we would have called it "a decree of the King!" </p><p> </p><p>This puts the Congressman and Senator on record on any matter for the voter to see instead of sneaking in federal power via the executive order and the wheelng and dealing that goes on around it. President writes a favorable executive order on a matter to some group of Congressman that keeps them off the record for their voters not to be seen and thus expose their true self and then in return those same Congressman pass something for the President. Ever wonder why unrelated nonsense get's added to bills in Congress? If you think it doesn't work like that you have a lot to learn about Rome..uh I mean Washington.</p><p> </p><p>Many in Congress decry what they call "the abuse of Executive powers" and they are correct to do so. However, they only decry this when it's not their guy doing the absuing. The other side right now defends the abuse only because it's their guy but 10 years ago the shoe was on the other foot. If you doubt me, go back and look at the record itself and look equally at bothsides. You'd think they swapped scripts in a play and now it;s the 2nd act and the audience is totally confused. That was the idea in the first place. The more confused you are, the more you need them and their cohorts to tell you what to believe and what is going down via their intrepretation of the Federal Book of Revelations.</p><p> </p><p>I've not voted republican or democrat on the Federal level in well over 20 years and I'm quite proud of that. Ron Paul isn't perfect by any stretch but I have to admit I'm having a tough time on this one. I've not decided yet to vote for Ron and break my record but it is refreshing the conversation on the role of gov't in our lives that he's bringing to the table. I doubt he'll win either but he has opened the eyes of many people who were once political adversaries to each other and they realize they have a lot more in common than they once thought. This IMO is the real threat of a Ron Paul Presidental run and may end up being the real legacy that comes from this.</p><p> </p><p>God Bless Ron and especially God Bless all you Ron Paul supporters. Hey Sean Hannity, there are your "GREAT AMERICANS"</p><p> </p><p>JMO</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 272083, member: 2189"] Good question D but in this day and age I don't have the answer. Ron has insisted he won't go independent in the General election but we've seen all to often before. It will be a big test for Ron if that scenario comes into play. As to your 2nd part, Ron has drawn a following and to what extent that following is, we won't truly know until the primaries start coming into play. You can bet if the party number crunchers see Ron getting a much higher % than previous thought and then the actual count of those numbers show a good count and the indication that thse numbers will go elsewhere in the general election, I'm not saying Ron gets a VP offer but he may be allowed a more visible advisory role which IMO he should decline. As soon as the election is over and not needed, he will be cast aside. As the big guns really haven't attacked Ron yet. He's seen almost in a carnival sideshow fashion in this whole process but if he scores top 5 and especially top 3, I predict the Ron Paul Camp will see a Neo-Con D-Day invasion. The Brothel owner endorsement for example will be nothing as the "Forces of God" comes out of the woodwork with all kinds of unsavory characters who have made public comment favorable to Ron. At least, that's what I think will happen. livinitup, The real differences between the republican and democrats is so shallow that a Ron Paul WH would so threaten the status quo that in their world you'd think both parties had become one as they would override Ron's vetos like a champion hotdog eater wolf's down a pot of Nathan's hotdogs. Party politics and agendas would fall by the wayside as we watch those loyal to the system, hardcore so-called liberal democrats walking hand in hand with hardcore so-called conservative republicans who in almost unnamious stride override the President time and time again. I'd love to see it happen just so every American could once and forall see Washington for what it really is. Where Ron can be effective is dismantling the gov't via the pen of Executive Orders. Much of gov't today is more a result of executive orders from the President than anything else. Executive Orders have been around since 1789' and are justified in law with small vague sections in the US Constitution in Art II, Sec. 1 Clause 1 and Art. II, Sec. 3 and I think Clause 3 or 4. It's been a while so not positive on the exact clauses but if you look and can't see it, look for the words "Executive Power" (sec. 1) and then "careful execution of the law" (sec. 3) and there is where the power derives from. There is a process for all of this from the 1946 Adminstrative Procedures Act found in Title 5 starting in Sec. 500 but Ron can kill a lot of gov't with the stroke of his pen as it was a former President's pen who begin it. If you (or especially Diesel) are freaking that my anarcho-capitalist utopia will come into full view, I wouldn't freak just yet. What I suspect would happen is the Congress will take up these matters as it should have been in the first place in the Constitutional mandate of legislative process and the direct voice of the people instead of an old means that in earlier times we would have called it "a decree of the King!" This puts the Congressman and Senator on record on any matter for the voter to see instead of sneaking in federal power via the executive order and the wheelng and dealing that goes on around it. President writes a favorable executive order on a matter to some group of Congressman that keeps them off the record for their voters not to be seen and thus expose their true self and then in return those same Congressman pass something for the President. Ever wonder why unrelated nonsense get's added to bills in Congress? If you think it doesn't work like that you have a lot to learn about Rome..uh I mean Washington. Many in Congress decry what they call "the abuse of Executive powers" and they are correct to do so. However, they only decry this when it's not their guy doing the absuing. The other side right now defends the abuse only because it's their guy but 10 years ago the shoe was on the other foot. If you doubt me, go back and look at the record itself and look equally at bothsides. You'd think they swapped scripts in a play and now it;s the 2nd act and the audience is totally confused. That was the idea in the first place. The more confused you are, the more you need them and their cohorts to tell you what to believe and what is going down via their intrepretation of the Federal Book of Revelations. I've not voted republican or democrat on the Federal level in well over 20 years and I'm quite proud of that. Ron Paul isn't perfect by any stretch but I have to admit I'm having a tough time on this one. I've not decided yet to vote for Ron and break my record but it is refreshing the conversation on the role of gov't in our lives that he's bringing to the table. I doubt he'll win either but he has opened the eyes of many people who were once political adversaries to each other and they realize they have a lot more in common than they once thought. This IMO is the real threat of a Ron Paul Presidental run and may end up being the real legacy that comes from this. God Bless Ron and especially God Bless all you Ron Paul supporters. Hey Sean Hannity, there are your "GREAT AMERICANS" JMO [/QUOTE]
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