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<blockquote data-quote="PobreCarlos" data-source="post: 977225" data-attributes="member: 16651"><p>Just how effective is the "opt out" decision? Do you REALLY believe that ordinary dues are NOT applied to such "political" issues as lobbying, position statements, etc.? Heck, unions - the Teamsters included - won't even effectively limit DIRECT payments to political campaigns taken from dues, let alone that used for political activity generally! As for it being "established in law", I'm very much aware that it is NOT an element of "law" that is being effectively enforced.</p><p></p><p>That said, I'm trying to reconcile your decision to go "into management" with your declaration that, in relation to a "corporate state" (of which UPS would represent at least a level one example of that condition) "individuals have NO BARGAINING POWER WHATSOEVER"; i.e. - if you have no bargaining power, then why are you IN management? Are you working for nothing? Spending your days at UPS knowing that you're not going to receive a dime for the work you're doing? If you have "no bargaining power", then why on earth would a "corporate" element pay you ANYTHING? See how ludicrous your claim is?</p><p></p><p>Sorry, but there are a LOT of employees who have "leverage when dealing with megacorporations". I suspect every management person on this board, past and present (with the apparent exception of you!) and many on the "labor" side as well would recognize that there are employees who are worth more than others....and, if given the freedom, would receive more compensation based onthat worth.</p><p></p><p>I pre-date management in 1975 and, frankly, I NEVER heard the saying of "that unless the district manager decided to paint the package cars pink, he was pretty much absolutely in control of his district"....nor have I known a district manager who had even remotely that much power. Corporate was ALWAYS "in control"; remember the "determined men, working together stuff"? It has ALWAYS been a collegiate, corporate environment. Many may have not like that environment (myself included), but it has ALWAYS been that way. From my perspective, the only thing that changed (or was "accomplished", if you prefer) in 1999 was that an element of fairness was introduced to the shareholders; i.e. - many of those who were responsible for making the company grow and prosper were able to gather in their just rewards; it was just unfortunate that, through the years, so many had to make that contribution....and then essentially got rear-ended upon retirement.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PobreCarlos, post: 977225, member: 16651"] Just how effective is the "opt out" decision? Do you REALLY believe that ordinary dues are NOT applied to such "political" issues as lobbying, position statements, etc.? Heck, unions - the Teamsters included - won't even effectively limit DIRECT payments to political campaigns taken from dues, let alone that used for political activity generally! As for it being "established in law", I'm very much aware that it is NOT an element of "law" that is being effectively enforced. That said, I'm trying to reconcile your decision to go "into management" with your declaration that, in relation to a "corporate state" (of which UPS would represent at least a level one example of that condition) "individuals have NO BARGAINING POWER WHATSOEVER"; i.e. - if you have no bargaining power, then why are you IN management? Are you working for nothing? Spending your days at UPS knowing that you're not going to receive a dime for the work you're doing? If you have "no bargaining power", then why on earth would a "corporate" element pay you ANYTHING? See how ludicrous your claim is? Sorry, but there are a LOT of employees who have "leverage when dealing with megacorporations". I suspect every management person on this board, past and present (with the apparent exception of you!) and many on the "labor" side as well would recognize that there are employees who are worth more than others....and, if given the freedom, would receive more compensation based onthat worth. I pre-date management in 1975 and, frankly, I NEVER heard the saying of "that unless the district manager decided to paint the package cars pink, he was pretty much absolutely in control of his district"....nor have I known a district manager who had even remotely that much power. Corporate was ALWAYS "in control"; remember the "determined men, working together stuff"? It has ALWAYS been a collegiate, corporate environment. Many may have not like that environment (myself included), but it has ALWAYS been that way. From my perspective, the only thing that changed (or was "accomplished", if you prefer) in 1999 was that an element of fairness was introduced to the shareholders; i.e. - many of those who were responsible for making the company grow and prosper were able to gather in their just rewards; it was just unfortunate that, through the years, so many had to make that contribution....and then essentially got rear-ended upon retirement. [/QUOTE]
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