Originally Posted by sealbasher
package car drivers are the ones who make the money for this company,all managment do is read reports and hand out letters,as far as im concerned this company is over managed.
Hoaxster, I thought it was interesting that you choose to reply to the above post while ignoring the one below.
Originally Posted by brownmonster
We need managers. I just don't know if the driver on the street can support 15 levels of middle mgmnt passing down the same report. Load the truck and leave me alone.
There is "fat" to be trimmed in the wage equation but it's not in the package car ranks. To many suits in this company all trying to justify their existence.
It's real simple...look at the two times on the posts. They are at the same time. When
brownmonster (whom I like and respect) had posted his post, I was in the process of creating my post. Simple as that. Perhaps your choice of your BC name was prescient.
However, I will take the time to reply to brownmonster and you (but keep in mind, not to anyone who makes a post while I am typing this - such as
vamountainman).
These are the 7 primary levels of mgt at UPS that have people reporting to them (in my mind that defines mgt).
Mgt Committee
Region Mgr
District Mgr
Region Staff Mgr
District Staff Level
Manager
Supervisor
Over half of the mgt people do not have people reporting to them or are in support roles and do not actively manage other people (sole-contributors). UPS shoehorns them into an obsolete industrial-based mgt structure dating to the 70's and before, primarily for the purpose of defining a salary bracket.
The role and responsibility of mgt is to Plan, Organize and Control the efforts of the organization. Most of these sole-contributors are involved in the Planning and Organizing efforts of the organization.
I agree that there is fat everywhere at UPS and probably more in the area where these quasi-mgt personnel do not have people reporting to them.
UPS has analyzed what these people are doing and determined if what they are doing is value-added to the efforts of the organization and whether what they are doing is important to the customer.
UPS has eliminated many of these positions in the last 5 - 10 years and continues to do so today. We will continue to do so until we reach a point where we perceive that UPS has lost too much in the Planning, Organizing and Controlling UPS efforts and then UPS will will add back as needed.
UPS has also eliminated Regions and Districts to reduce the support mgt structure.
Anyway, that is the Cliff Notes on UPS mgt and their roles and responsibilities that one can use to understand why UPS Mgt is slowly reducing the UPS mgt ranks in a controlled manner that ensures adequate control and mgt loyalty to the organization.
