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<blockquote data-quote="soberups" data-source="post: 917384" data-attributes="member: 14668"><p>OK, I'm looking at the photo and judging by the tire size I <em>think</em> the car is an older high-step GMC P-10 series 110-111xxx with manual steering and a 4-speed stick shift.</p><p></p><p>I seem to recall those cars having electrical-assist power brakes, and if the motor wasnt running the brakes wouldnt work worth a damn. I can remember missing a shift on a hill and stalling it, and then starting to roll backwards even though I was stepping on the brake pedal with all of my strength. Lots of beeping from the dashboard, and a humming noise, but no real stopping power.</p><p></p><p>I also know those old 4 speeds could be a real bitch to get into gear if you were rolling at any speed. If your speed didnt match the rpms that the engine would turn in the gear you were trying to select, it would just grind and stay in neutral and you couldnt get it into gear even with the clutch pedal floored.</p><p></p><p>So <u><em>perhaps</em></u> what happened here was that the driver missed a shift near the top of a hill and stalled it. Or maybe the engine was having issues and it just died. Either way, he then he started rolling down the hill and with no engine he couldnt stop it with the brakes or get it into gear. At that point, maybe he panicked and forgot about the emergency brake, or the brake was defective, or it was set too loose to be able to stop the car on a steep hill by itself. I do know that those old cars had an emergency brake that was adjustable, and in order to get it tight enough to hold a fully loaded car on a hill you had to adjust it to where it would wear your arm out to pull on it 200+ times a day.</p><p></p><p>We were told at the PCM that the helper was ejected from the vehicle, but apparently that was not the case. Judging by the photo it looks like he was belted and sitting in the seat, and the car hit the tree on the passenger side and they had to cut him out of there.</p><p></p><p>Prayers for all involved.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="soberups, post: 917384, member: 14668"] OK, I'm looking at the photo and judging by the tire size I [I]think[/I] the car is an older high-step GMC P-10 series 110-111xxx with manual steering and a 4-speed stick shift. I seem to recall those cars having electrical-assist power brakes, and if the motor wasnt running the brakes wouldnt work worth a damn. I can remember missing a shift on a hill and stalling it, and then starting to roll backwards even though I was stepping on the brake pedal with all of my strength. Lots of beeping from the dashboard, and a humming noise, but no real stopping power. I also know those old 4 speeds could be a real bitch to get into gear if you were rolling at any speed. If your speed didnt match the rpms that the engine would turn in the gear you were trying to select, it would just grind and stay in neutral and you couldnt get it into gear even with the clutch pedal floored. So [U][I]perhaps[/I][/U] what happened here was that the driver missed a shift near the top of a hill and stalled it. Or maybe the engine was having issues and it just died. Either way, he then he started rolling down the hill and with no engine he couldnt stop it with the brakes or get it into gear. At that point, maybe he panicked and forgot about the emergency brake, or the brake was defective, or it was set too loose to be able to stop the car on a steep hill by itself. I do know that those old cars had an emergency brake that was adjustable, and in order to get it tight enough to hold a fully loaded car on a hill you had to adjust it to where it would wear your arm out to pull on it 200+ times a day. We were told at the PCM that the helper was ejected from the vehicle, but apparently that was not the case. Judging by the photo it looks like he was belted and sitting in the seat, and the car hit the tree on the passenger side and they had to cut him out of there. Prayers for all involved. [/QUOTE]
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