Shop Steward siding with company @ Panel hearing?

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by superballs63, Mar 4, 2014.

  1. superballs63

    superballs63 Well-Known Troll Troll

    So, I'm going to keep this pretty vague, to maintain some kind of privacy.

    We had a driver get fired for what I will only say were egrgious methods violations.

    I heard through the grapevine today that one of our shop stewards is going to be on the company's side. Has anyone ever had a union rep betray (for lack of a better word) a dues paying member?

    No one in my center has ever heard of anything like that happening.
  2. upschuck

    upschuck Well-Known Member

    Have you ever played the game telephone? Don't believe everything you hear.
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  3. Anonymous 12

    Anonymous 12 Non active member

    There is always three sides to everyone's story.
  4. Inthegame

    Inthegame Well-Known Member

    Never ceases to amaze me the amount of info members will withhold from Stewards/Agents and expect positive results. I've used your exact phrase 407 but I've bumped it up to five sides occasionally. It takes an experienced vet to get to the truth.
  5. Anonymous 12

    Anonymous 12 Non active member

    Members look at me like I have five eyes when I tell them there are three sides to every story.
  6. WHAT??
  7. Anonymous 12

    Anonymous 12 Non active member

    What what?
  8. What? have 5 eyes??..what
  9. Ouch

    Ouch Well-Known Member

    You have to have 5 eyes being a steward to see management coming at ya.
  10. And a butt plug!
  11. Ouch

    Ouch Well-Known Member

    Oh did I forget that? Thanks package.
  12. FedUPS413

    FedUPS413 New Member

    No freakn way the steward goes dark

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  13. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    So the steward should blindly support the member and disregard the egregious methods violations?
  14. Anonymous 12

    Anonymous 12 Non active member

    We have to protect members at all costs. We can not bring reproach on a member. We might not agree or like a member but we have to go all out for them. When a member is in trouble and they don't like me I make sure I show them how hard I work for him. Maybe he will appreciate me. It happens. To answer your question I do what I have to do to get the member off. Then I tell the member don't do this again
    You got lucky. There's a difference in a guy like you and a guy like me. I'm out for everyone not myself. We take chances for the member and you watch out for you. No disrespect to you David.
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    QKRSTKR Active Member

    Your side, my side, and what actually happened. Did I get it right?

    QKRSTKR Active Member

    What exactly do you mean by "be on the companies side" ?

    DILLIGAF1 New Member

    What are egrgious methods?
  18. PiedmontSteward

    PiedmontSteward RTW-4-Less

    You "heard through the grapevine"? Is this something you heard based on another member's experience with this steward? I can't really fathom how you could know how the steward is going to react before the hearing.

    Also, I doubt the steward is representing someone at a panel. At most, he's probably representing the member at a center level hearing with the center and/or division manager. Most minor disciplinary infractions can be handled at this level - if the company won't budge or it's a serious infraction, then it typically goes to a "local level" that usually involves the labor manager and the union business agent. If the union/company still can't come to an agreement (ie. the company is hellbent on firing a driver) then the case is docketed at the regional/state grievance panel.
  19. brown_trousers

    brown_trousers Active Member

    ABSOLUTELY! We all pay money for good representation. How would you feel if you hired an attorney to represent you and he decided to agree with opposing counsel in the courtroom instead of represent you?
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  20. moriar7y

    moriar7y New Member

    The Stewards aren't supposed to be like our personal lawyers. An attorney will do anything you ask them to do, and you will generally pay a ludicrous amount of money to get them to do it.

    A Steward's job is simply to uphold the contract and ensure fair and just treatment of the employees by the company and the company's representatives. This means ensuring that each disciplinary step is followed properly, disciplinary action is only taken for offenses stated in the contract or agreed upon on paper by the company and union, that the company's representatives treat each worker with dignity and respect, to help settle disputes that do not have a standard written procedure, and to assist the workers with filing appropriate union-related documents on time and in the correct format.

    A Steward's job is not to fight against the company's disciplinary action when it is justified and the position can be properly defended through documentation and the presentation of evidence and logic. If an employee genuinely disregards the limitations of the contract or the fair and logical direction of the company or its representatives, then the contract states that they should receive the appropriate level of disciplinary action according to the severity of the action and the employee's personal history. The Steward's job in this case is of course to check to ensure that every required step was followed, that the company has properly documented and informed the employee of everything they are required to do so, and that the employee is treated with dignity and respect. Beyond this, the only factor that a steward and the company should equally consider is the employee's personal work history. Of the employee has 35 years of perfect attendance and not a single disciplinary note on file, an argument could be made for a less severe punishment, even for serious infractions. Even this should be only lightly considered, and should be decided on a case-by-case basis.

    The last thing we need is stewards fighting everything, especially completely justifiable disciplinary action. All this does is harden the relationship between the company, the union, and the workers, and increases the workplace tension we all feel. It also allows bad workers to keep there jobs when the legitimately don't deserve them. This decreases the efficiency of the larger working unit of the area, increases the pressure from management to move faster and faster, puts more work on the good worker's backs, and ultimately hurts our customers through delays and bad package handling, causing damage. This damages the company in the long term and hurts us all by decreasing the potential for promotion and raises, and forces a slower growth that delays further investment in labor resources, delays reinvestment in capital, and delays or postpones the expanding of our service area and quality.

    Tl,Dr: Stewards that constantly fight for bad employees hurt everyone.

    Edit: My phone apparently can't bold things with tags.

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    Last edited: Mar 5, 2014