Smoke up Jonney

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by 407steward, Jul 2, 2013.

  1. Anonymous 10

    Anonymous 10 Guest

    Three days and you got to quit. Damn that's a hard reality. I haven't given up drinking but I haven't drank in 5 + weeks. I feel great. I feel like a better man. Kinda like if I had to look God in the eye I could. I'm no quitter but I had to try something different. My daughter Grace just poured out some Kool aid on the ground for her grandpa Bernie. I guess she had seen me do it many times with my beer for the guys I really admire that aren't here anymore. It's a symbolic gesture in the getto for the homies that aren't here. It was also a symbolic gesture as to how I was perceived by the love of my life Grace.

    You management and nonunion hourlies who have to give it up (smoking) you can think that this damn company is a communist. They are but I would instead take this as a symbolic gesture that its time to look at yourselves and the ones who love you. It's time unfortunately. Or are you really fortunate???

    ​God bless
     
  2. Cementups

    Cementups Box Monkey

    I'm so confused right now.
     
  3. Jackburton

    Jackburton Gone Fish'n

    I've been smoke free for 3 years now, not because UPS told me, but because I didn't want to die when I blow this popcorn stand after 30.
     
  4. sigreq

    sigreq Member

    Huh
     
  5. Jackburton

    Jackburton Gone Fish'n

    Management insurance changes I believe. They actually tried to tell some reloaders I ran into they had to stop smoking or they have to pay more/into their insurance. Went straight to the reload manager and told him to stop threatening hourlies with management's problems.
     
  6. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    Are you sure you aren't drinking now?
     
  7. Wally

    Wally Hailing from Parts Unknown.

    Drink and smoke heavily!
     
  8. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    He is talking about the changes to the management healthcare plan. One of the changes was a surcharge for smokers as of July 1. This has since been moved back to Sep. 1.

    There is a thread in the Partners forum on this topic.
     
  9. Dracula

    Dracula Package Car is cake compared to this...

    This makes sense. Smokers cost the health care system more, so they should contribute more. This is an issue that puts you free market cheerleaders in a bind. On one hand, you don't want the government telling you whether you can or can't smoke, and you definitely don't want any extra taxes on your smokes. Yet when your health takes a nose-dive because of smoking related issues, you take a big dip out of the socialist, insurance fund. But there are no free lunches, which goes against everything Americans believe and feel entitled to.
     
  10. PT Car Washer

    PT Car Washer Well-Known Member

    I disagree Dracula. Smokers pay a lot more taxes and end up dying way too early to collect many benefits. It is those 80 and 90 yo seniors that are bankrupting the system.
     
  11. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

    Yea but the ones that are sick and don't die cost billions in healthcare. I don't know how I feel about this because where do you draw the line? Can soda drinkers be penalized? The list goes on.
     
  12. Anonymous 10

    Anonymous 10 Guest

    These management folks are going to be on edge so much they will probably kill each other.
     
  13. Jackburton

    Jackburton Gone Fish'n

    I hope members are taking notes about how UPS is devouring their own while we don't face these invasive requirements.
     
  14. Dracula

    Dracula Package Car is cake compared to this...

    I know...doesn't your heart just ache for those bean counters?
     
  15. stink219

    stink219 Well-Known Member

    I heard the surcharge is $150 a month per person. Even if one partner smokes, both are hit with the $150. I guess for second had reasons? $300 bones a month on top of the addiction itself? It's cheaper to do coke!
     
  16. Jackburton

    Jackburton Gone Fish'n

    or work PT in the hub.
     
  17. quamba 638

    quamba 638 Member

    How does the process work at UPS? How can they prove you smoke or not? I know it would be fraud if you lied... But I'm still curious how they cross check that? At my FT job, they made the us have a management member confirm with a signature if you were a smoker or not then turned it into HR.
    I quit years ago, not easy.
    I actually got into a fight on the side of the hwy in the middle of the night, in the middle of nowhere. Two minutes in, all I could think was "I need to quit smoking"!
     
  18. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

    They smell your fingers.
     
  19. kingOFchester

    kingOFchester Well-Known Member

    What 407 posted makes perfect sense. This Essay should clear up any confusion.

    An essay on smoking

    Man's greatest achievement? Perhaps not, but can you afford not to read on when I am about to tell you about smoking? In depth analysis of smoking can be an enriching experience. Remarkably smoking is heralded by shopkeepers and investment bankers alike, leading many to state that its influence on western cinema has not been given proper recognition. It is estimated that that smoking is thought about eight times every day by the upper echelons of progressive service sector organisations, obviously. Keeping all of this in mind, in this essay I will examine the major issues.
    Social Factors
    Society is a human product. When The Tygers of Pan Tang sang 'It's lonely at the top. Everybody's trying to do you in' [1] , they failed to understand that if one seriously intends to 'not judge a book by its cover', then one must read a lot of books. Much has been said about the influence of the media on smoking. Observers claim it helps to provide some sort of equilibrium in this world of ever changing, always yearning chaos.
    Primarily smoking builds trust among the people. Society says that every man must find their own truth. While one sees smoking, another may see monkeys playing tennis.
    Economic Factors
    Our world is driven by supply and demand. We will begin by looking at the Greek-Roman model, a lovely model.

    Clearly the graphs demonstrates a strong correlation. Why is this? Of course the market value of gold cannot sustain this instability for long. The financial press seems unable to make up its mind on these issues which unsettles investors.
    Political Factors
    Posturing as concerned patriarchs, many politicians guide the electorate herd to the inevitable cattle shed of 'equal opportunity.' Comparing international relations since the end of the century can be like observing smokingism and post-smokingism.
    In the words of the uncompromising Demetrius Bootlegger 'Political idealists must ideally deal, for I daily list my ideals politically.' [2] I couldn't have put it better my self. When it comes to smoking this is clearly true. History tells us that smoking will always be a vote winner, whether we like it, or not.
    Since the Renaissance smoking has become more and more prevalent. May it continue.Conclusion
    To conclude, smoking may not be the best thing since sliced bread, but it's still important. It brings peace, 'literally' plants seeds for harvest,, though smoking brings with it obvious difficulties, it is truly smoking.
    I'll leave you with this quote from Whoopi Morissette: 'I love smoking? Yes! Hurray for smoking!' [3]

    Side note, My favorite quote from this simple essay is the following:

    Political idealists must ideally deal, for I daily list my ideals politically. Think about that!!! Brilliant and so east to comprehend.
     
    Last edited: Jul 4, 2013
  20. worldwide

    worldwide Active Member

    What will prevent the Teamsters from implementing similar policies in the future with TeamCare? The agreement says no increase in premiums during the life of the agreement but some creative lawyers can spin a new smoking surcharge as just that, a surcharge that is not part of the premium. The Teamsters benefit plan is not immune from the healthcare industry cost increases. Don't think it will happen? Nobody throught that this would happen with the non-union plan either...