brownmonster
Man of Great Wisdom
That would be the day when an hourly driver would be paid all day to watch drivers in our building. Mgmnt wouldn't do it and if they did the guy might end up in a dumpster behind the building.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
Just curious, and not looking to start a war, but what difference would that have made? Would you have been doing anything differently knowing that you may/may not be observed? What if the business manager was simply ensuring that the head of the safety committee was up to speed on the duties of his position and this ride was purely informational? Or, as you have suggested, what it they were indeed observing you and you were then asked to sit down with them and review their findings, if any, in a purely informational manner with no mention of discipline?
I do agree with you that if the purpose of their ride was to observe your work methods with the intent of discipline then the thought of another hourly monitoring your work is inappropriate.
chocolate thunder
Member
I hope no one figures out who I am. As for people following me around? Have at it, I say. I do the joband I may not go absolutely by "the methods", but the job gets done. By that I mean the pkgs get delivered, no one gets killed/pissed at me and I get home safely. Usually, the only people that I know of that don't like to be followed, are the ones that have something to hide. For instance, if you're yapping on the cell phone all day or driving like an idiot. Other than this, you really have nothing to worry about. BTW, if you are yapping on that phone all day, you may want to consult a therapist. I think you may have some sort of independence issue. And to the guy/gal that thinks cutting in and out of traffic and other maniacal driving is how we get the job done, think again. That's how people die and jobs get lost. Remember, Every car you pass and person you speak to is a potential sales lead. Don't give these people a bad first impression! Nuff Said!!!..............sorry for the rant.
chocolate thunder
Member
come on stevie i see you running up nw federal highway with that bulkhead door wide open,what happened with not locking that tp60 and everything getting stolen when you came back to pick it up at the mall
stevetheupsguy
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Considering the fact that I don't deliver to the mall, I think you need to think before you post. And the last time I left my bulkhead door open en route to my route was a long time ago. As I said in my post, "I do the job and I may not go absolutely by "the methods". Did you read that part or forget your glasses. I never said I was perfect, just that I don't fear being followed. Get it straight next time before making a fool of yourself.
dilligaf
IN VINO VERITAS
Under and Upstate..........on occasion (albeit very rare), our sup will say he is going out doing observations. I think he is just in a really good mood when he says this.
Now to the next point. You all have stewards that have time to go out with a sup for observations!?!?!? My steward has a rte that takes 9/10 hrs every day, and that is if they take work off the rte.
Now to the next point. You all have stewards that have time to go out with a sup for observations!?!?!? My steward has a rte that takes 9/10 hrs every day, and that is if they take work off the rte.
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
Management has every right to conduct on area observations. There is no expectation of privacy in a public place, and an employee who is on the clock should work as instructed and assume he is being watched.
Any union employee who would assist management in conducting such observations should be brought up on charges in front of his local unions Executive Board. He should also get his ass kicked.
Any union employee who would assist management in conducting such observations should be brought up on charges in front of his local unions Executive Board. He should also get his ass kicked.
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BigBrownSanta
Well-Known Member
Many businesses check up on their employees. Ever hear of mystery shoppers? They get paid to come in and evaluate a businesses operation while posing as a customer.
I read this thread earlier to day, and while at the UPS store for pickup, I mentioned it to the owner. He said that UPS also does "observations" on the UPS stores 4 times a year. He was laughing because he can always tell who the "observer" is when they come in.
I read this thread earlier to day, and while at the UPS store for pickup, I mentioned it to the owner. He said that UPS also does "observations" on the UPS stores 4 times a year. He was laughing because he can always tell who the "observer" is when they come in.
dilligaf
IN VINO VERITAS
Waste Mgt routinely does observations on their drivers. I know, been there done that. I LMAO when I am out on rte and spot the WM sup following a driver (they are easy to spot, all of their vehicles have an assigned truck number even the sup's pickup trucks). I just shake my head and wonder. LOL
Bad Gas!
Well-Known Member
I concur.The safty people don't need to cross the line with actions that may cause discipline.If they want a tie, put the letter in..Safty committee should give non-disciplned advice only...after that pursue reward basis for good safty behavior..
UPS Lifer
Well-Known Member
This is the way it should be done. Safety Reps are there to be educated and to help with tasks and to help communicate the right message. They are also their to represent the interests of the employees.
Management who push a line of discipline (safety enforcement) for safety reps are abusing their authority.
under the radar
A Trained Professional
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
None of us are perfect, myself more so than most. I will say that I feel that I do a good job and would have no problem with either an on-car observation or one which is done without my knowledge. I am not 100% on the methods and may take a shortcut here and there but I try to maintain 15-18 SPORH while ensuring that I keep customer service foremost in my mind. I like your philosophy of doing the job as though you are being observed.
705red
Browncafe Steward
Sounds like someone is a real butt hole here steve. Dont you just love these guys that are keyboard cowboys but would never say this to our face!Considering the fact that I don't deliver to the mall, I think you need to think before you post. And the last time I left my bulkhead door open en route to my route was a long time ago. As I said in my post, "I do the job and I may not go absolutely by "the methods". Did you read that part or forget your glasses. I never said I was perfect, just that I don't fear being followed. Get it straight next time before making a fool of yourself.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
Takes a real man to post that here. Just curious, have you ever said this to his face?
Can we give the poster the benefit of the doubt?
I read through it real fast and just took it as a joke, somebody was saying something tongue in cheek.
Let's assume until otherwise that they just forgot the smiley.
On another note, I'd have to say, I see more FDX drivers with their bulkhead doors open and without seatbelts on than I do our own Brown. There is a difference, we are professionals, as such we are measured to a different standard. Even in how we interact with customers.
The system is by no means perfect and I don't pretend to understand all the nuances that vary from center to center.
What I can say though is that if somebody wants to work for a company that doesn't seem to care, you can start at FedEx and likely be driving before you know it. You won't have the Union behind you and will probably only be making 2/3rd what you're making for Uncle Brown, but the door is there and the option is open at any time.
Again the system ain't perfect, nobody is, but let's work within the system that we have to change it. If every time somebody checks on you, you have your seat belt on, doors closed and latched when appropriate, and are following the methods, guess what? They will move on to somebody else.
stevetheupsguy
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Again the system ain't perfect, nobody is, but let's work within the system that we have to change it. If every time somebody checks on you, you have your seat belt on, doors closed and latched when appropriate, and are following the methods, guess what? They will move on to somebody else.[/quote]
Very true! Chocolate Thunder works in my building. I guess he thought he was being funny by trying to slam me with the bulkhead door and trailer being robbed stuff. I already explained the bulkhead door. Here's the scoop on the trailer. The mall guy and I are on sister routes, I'm 4A he's 4B. We use the same lock core for our trailer, since we tend to get each others misloads. For some reason, someone removed the lock core from his trailer. Now we have a trailer with no lock core parked in the loading/unloading area at the mall. Why UPS would let him go out with a trailer that could not be locked is unusual. Apparently they gave this driver a pad lock which he used on and off but not always. Someone found out and took several pkgs from the trailer one day. This was even reported in the local news, the article of which for some reason I can not find online. Anyways, this is what Chocolate Thunder was referring to, when he tried to make a name for himself. The sad part of this story isn't that CT thinks it was my trailer. The sad part is that UPS is making the mall guy pay for the lost pkgs.
BTW guys, I confronted CT with the facts the next morning, to which he had no reply. Hope he doesn't call the 800#, LOL!
Very true! Chocolate Thunder works in my building. I guess he thought he was being funny by trying to slam me with the bulkhead door and trailer being robbed stuff. I already explained the bulkhead door. Here's the scoop on the trailer. The mall guy and I are on sister routes, I'm 4A he's 4B. We use the same lock core for our trailer, since we tend to get each others misloads. For some reason, someone removed the lock core from his trailer. Now we have a trailer with no lock core parked in the loading/unloading area at the mall. Why UPS would let him go out with a trailer that could not be locked is unusual. Apparently they gave this driver a pad lock which he used on and off but not always. Someone found out and took several pkgs from the trailer one day. This was even reported in the local news, the article of which for some reason I can not find online. Anyways, this is what Chocolate Thunder was referring to, when he tried to make a name for himself. The sad part of this story isn't that CT thinks it was my trailer. The sad part is that UPS is making the mall guy pay for the lost pkgs.
BTW guys, I confronted CT with the facts the next morning, to which he had no reply. Hope he doesn't call the 800#, LOL!
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