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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 320916" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>I guess the difference between you and I is you want to make everyone taxpayers <strong>(pay their fair share)</strong> with a<strong> "COMPLICATED" </strong>tax system and I want to make everyone non-taxpayers at the federal level with an <strong>"UNCOMPLICATED" </strong>tax system! Thought I'd borrow the very word you used.</p><p> </p><p>You want a Wislon/FDR/JFK/LBJ/Nixon/Carter/Reagan/Bush1/Clinton/Bush2 tax system and I want a Madison/Jefferson/Henry style federal tax system. In fact, you could name most any early founders as the organic constitution had direct prohibitions against the federal gov't from direct taxation of the citizen so in the day especially as it relates to income, they were all non-taxpayers. I'd say you've got pretty much what you want and now it's just a simple "mopping up action" to get all the marbles into the same sack. </p><p> </p><p>Did you ever consider if they did pay their fair share that the gov't would get even more money and the welfare giveaways might become even more massive? They'd have more funds for earmarks and giveaways to buy votes with and to further entrench themselves. Ever give that any thought? </p><p>Do you enjoy the sport of <strong>"FEEDING DEMOCRATS and REPUBLICANS who think they are better at it!"</strong></p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p> </p><p>You said:</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Interesting point. Frankly I see it quite simple but be that as it may. Sounds like instead of forcing a system that is wrong and counterproductive in the long run to retrace itself out of our lives, you are throwing in the towel. exclaiming to so-called "liberal and democrats" if you will, that, "OK, YOU WIN! But let's also tax everybody just so I'll feel somewhat vindicated in some way." </p><p> </p><p>Even the Fair Tax has a portional set aside to use as a selling point to overcome the "poor can't pay" arguement so that thinking is already engrained even in so-called "conservative" circles. Even these conservatives don't believe in the concept of paying one's fair share! An alternative flat tax, sales tax, etc. was knifed in the back IMO when Reagan pushed TEFRA and then the new 1986' tax code through Congress. He made income taxation acceptable by selling the idea of manageable gov't. It's like saying Christian Satanist to me!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p> </p><p>Ever heard the quote, </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>This is what you do with every extra red cent you give to Washington DC under any premise!</p><p> </p><p>BTW: Under the Madison/Jefferson/Henry mix, you live and died by individual responsibility as this was the heart of it. Gov't wasn't there to wetnurse you if you fell down nor bail you out if you got stupid in business. You might consider that point sometime!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 320916, member: 2189"] I guess the difference between you and I is you want to make everyone taxpayers [B](pay their fair share)[/B] with a[B] "COMPLICATED" [/B]tax system and I want to make everyone non-taxpayers at the federal level with an [B]"UNCOMPLICATED" [/B]tax system! Thought I'd borrow the very word you used. You want a Wislon/FDR/JFK/LBJ/Nixon/Carter/Reagan/Bush1/Clinton/Bush2 tax system and I want a Madison/Jefferson/Henry style federal tax system. In fact, you could name most any early founders as the organic constitution had direct prohibitions against the federal gov't from direct taxation of the citizen so in the day especially as it relates to income, they were all non-taxpayers. I'd say you've got pretty much what you want and now it's just a simple "mopping up action" to get all the marbles into the same sack. Did you ever consider if they did pay their fair share that the gov't would get even more money and the welfare giveaways might become even more massive? They'd have more funds for earmarks and giveaways to buy votes with and to further entrench themselves. Ever give that any thought? Do you enjoy the sport of [B]"FEEDING DEMOCRATS and REPUBLICANS who think they are better at it!"[/B] :happy-very: You said: Interesting point. Frankly I see it quite simple but be that as it may. Sounds like instead of forcing a system that is wrong and counterproductive in the long run to retrace itself out of our lives, you are throwing in the towel. exclaiming to so-called "liberal and democrats" if you will, that, "OK, YOU WIN! But let's also tax everybody just so I'll feel somewhat vindicated in some way." Even the Fair Tax has a portional set aside to use as a selling point to overcome the "poor can't pay" arguement so that thinking is already engrained even in so-called "conservative" circles. Even these conservatives don't believe in the concept of paying one's fair share! An alternative flat tax, sales tax, etc. was knifed in the back IMO when Reagan pushed TEFRA and then the new 1986' tax code through Congress. He made income taxation acceptable by selling the idea of manageable gov't. It's like saying Christian Satanist to me! :happy-very: Ever heard the quote, [B][/B] This is what you do with every extra red cent you give to Washington DC under any premise! BTW: Under the Madison/Jefferson/Henry mix, you live and died by individual responsibility as this was the heart of it. Gov't wasn't there to wetnurse you if you fell down nor bail you out if you got stupid in business. You might consider that point sometime! [/QUOTE]
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