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<blockquote data-quote="pickup" data-source="post: 555560"><p>first off, when you throw out the term "37 %", you're tying into a number that a lot of browncafers like to joke around with. another popular number for joking is 16.</p><p></p><p>that much being said, I will take your numbers at face value, especially those that pertain to the electric motor. While those numbers might be true, it takes electricity to power those motors and that comes from the power plants many of which run on coal and oil. Okay, presumably, the boilers of a power plants are much more efficient than a combustion engine, but you still are losing a lot of energy in another way. </p><p>How? Well, the steam. If you ever dealt with compressed carbon dioxide in a canister, you might know that when it comes out and becomes a gas under normal atmospheric pressure, it is very cold. that is because when a liquid becomes a gas, at that point, it is an endothermic process. it takes a lot of heat(energy to do so). In terms of water (I don't recall the kilocalories per mole but I once did know ) it is a lot more energy to move that 1 degree mark from 99 celsius to 100 than it does from 90 degree celsius to 98 for example. </p><p></p><p>On the other hand when matter goes to a grosser form such as gas to liquid, or liquid to matter, it is an exothermic process, energy is released in the form of heat. that's why your a glass of water in your freezer, once it starts forming ice, will stay at 0 degrees celsius until there is not a drop of liquid water left. Because as the ice is formed, the process releases heat.</p><p></p><p>Well, the power plant took advantage of some of the energy of this endothermic process by virtue of the steam that powered its turbines. but there is still steam left over and before it is recycled, it get cooled down(i.e transfers its energy to the colder water from the nearby river) . You lost quite a bit of energy. </p><p></p><p>Plus , you lose more energy as the longer the distance from the power plant to the usage point(where you plug in) the more energy you lose to the resistance of the wires.</p><p></p><p>So, the 90 percent efficiency rate of your electric motor is deceiving.</p><p></p><p>What is the partial solution? An array of solar panels on top of a ups building to power their electric devices.(with storage batteries) . the distance between this power plant and the point of usage is considerably less. No pollution (except that in the making of said panels and batteries), or better yet fewer batteries, put the energy back in the grid , with some energy loss mind you. but the grid is now your bank, you give and take. If you take more than you give, you pay , just as you do now. if you are even, you are even. If you give more than you take, than you are now a cash generating power facility. Of course, there will be a fee for the utility company for their infrastructure, as well as fees for their brokering.</p><p></p><p>There are many innovative solutions to the supposed energy crisis, but there is less ability to monopolize and profit from them and we all know, the robber barons like their monopolies(better yet , when no one realizes they are monopolies)</p><p></p><p>If I won the lottery, I would knock the cobwebs from my brain and put the work into figuring out this great stuff (ahh, the inventor fantasy, who hasn't had it?). get me a place like I envision satellite driver has and work my stuff out and once semi perfected, , put that schematics out there on the internet through a non registered computer on a public wifi so it couldn't be traced to me. So they (and we know who they are) couldn't shoot me because they wouldn't know who who is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pickup, post: 555560"] first off, when you throw out the term "37 %", you're tying into a number that a lot of browncafers like to joke around with. another popular number for joking is 16. that much being said, I will take your numbers at face value, especially those that pertain to the electric motor. While those numbers might be true, it takes electricity to power those motors and that comes from the power plants many of which run on coal and oil. Okay, presumably, the boilers of a power plants are much more efficient than a combustion engine, but you still are losing a lot of energy in another way. How? Well, the steam. If you ever dealt with compressed carbon dioxide in a canister, you might know that when it comes out and becomes a gas under normal atmospheric pressure, it is very cold. that is because when a liquid becomes a gas, at that point, it is an endothermic process. it takes a lot of heat(energy to do so). In terms of water (I don't recall the kilocalories per mole but I once did know ) it is a lot more energy to move that 1 degree mark from 99 celsius to 100 than it does from 90 degree celsius to 98 for example. On the other hand when matter goes to a grosser form such as gas to liquid, or liquid to matter, it is an exothermic process, energy is released in the form of heat. that's why your a glass of water in your freezer, once it starts forming ice, will stay at 0 degrees celsius until there is not a drop of liquid water left. Because as the ice is formed, the process releases heat. Well, the power plant took advantage of some of the energy of this endothermic process by virtue of the steam that powered its turbines. but there is still steam left over and before it is recycled, it get cooled down(i.e transfers its energy to the colder water from the nearby river) . You lost quite a bit of energy. Plus , you lose more energy as the longer the distance from the power plant to the usage point(where you plug in) the more energy you lose to the resistance of the wires. So, the 90 percent efficiency rate of your electric motor is deceiving. What is the partial solution? An array of solar panels on top of a ups building to power their electric devices.(with storage batteries) . the distance between this power plant and the point of usage is considerably less. No pollution (except that in the making of said panels and batteries), or better yet fewer batteries, put the energy back in the grid , with some energy loss mind you. but the grid is now your bank, you give and take. If you take more than you give, you pay , just as you do now. if you are even, you are even. If you give more than you take, than you are now a cash generating power facility. Of course, there will be a fee for the utility company for their infrastructure, as well as fees for their brokering. There are many innovative solutions to the supposed energy crisis, but there is less ability to monopolize and profit from them and we all know, the robber barons like their monopolies(better yet , when no one realizes they are monopolies) If I won the lottery, I would knock the cobwebs from my brain and put the work into figuring out this great stuff (ahh, the inventor fantasy, who hasn't had it?). get me a place like I envision satellite driver has and work my stuff out and once semi perfected, , put that schematics out there on the internet through a non registered computer on a public wifi so it couldn't be traced to me. So they (and we know who they are) couldn't shoot me because they wouldn't know who who is. [/QUOTE]
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