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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 555832" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>My point about the efficency of internal combustion verses electric motor was never meant to ignore the larger infrastructure of energy delivery systems but was just a single at the point of use component to component comparison. If you want to compare the larger picture of human scale costs, for oil you have to add in the costs of goepolitics or with coal, the costs of human impact to the local and their property where the coal is mined. The cost impact to private property and life quality when for example a sludge pond damn ruptures and floods a West Virginia mountain community. </p><p> </p><p>No arguement from me about your points of electric generation and in fact I completely agree that the large scale generation and transmission of electric power is not an efficent process at all. I agree completely with what you said about solar power generation for example and sorry if you misunderstood but my closing comment, "Think Local" was all about that very thing. Why generate energy 100's or 1000's of miles away when we can literally do it at the point of use. Tesla may have done a wonderful thing in winning the day with AC power but had Edison won the day with DC, we may have been far better off in regards to point of use generation.</p><p> </p><p>Also I'm a big fan of low voltage DC lighting and the sooner we move away from 120 VAC home lighting and towards 12/24 VDC lighting using LED technology for example, the better IMO. As for cars, sure there's electric but there's also other technologies including a compressed air powered car. Sure, it requires a compressor but who sez that compressor can't be driven by solar or wind. The inventer of the air car is also working on an onboard compressor that makes the air car a literal perpetual motion machine. Engineering sez this is impossible but it was once impossible to go to the moon or see the farthest galaxies so what's impossible? </p><p> </p><p>You were 1000% right when you said: </p><p>"There are many innovative solutions to the supposed energy crisis, but there is less ability to monopolize and profit from them and we all know, the robber barons like their monopolies(better yet , when no one realizes they are monopolies)"</p><p> </p><p>I'm as much against centralized "Corporate Power" as I am centralized gov't power and making you own power and being grid free is just as important as being gov't free. I might even rate grid free the more important of the 2. Consider one of my favorite publications, Conspiratorialist Today...just kidding...it's actually <a href="http://www.homepower.com/home/" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Home Power Magazine</span></a> which has tons of great articles and ideas on the subject of self generating power. As for how we live, google Mike Reynolds and "Earthship". A more detailed look at Mike can be found in the documentary "Garbage Warrior" seen as recently as this past Sunday on the Sundance Channel.</p><p> </p><p>The sooner we break from cartel oil and cartel electric power, the better off we will all be IMO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 555832, member: 2189"] My point about the efficency of internal combustion verses electric motor was never meant to ignore the larger infrastructure of energy delivery systems but was just a single at the point of use component to component comparison. If you want to compare the larger picture of human scale costs, for oil you have to add in the costs of goepolitics or with coal, the costs of human impact to the local and their property where the coal is mined. The cost impact to private property and life quality when for example a sludge pond damn ruptures and floods a West Virginia mountain community. No arguement from me about your points of electric generation and in fact I completely agree that the large scale generation and transmission of electric power is not an efficent process at all. I agree completely with what you said about solar power generation for example and sorry if you misunderstood but my closing comment, "Think Local" was all about that very thing. Why generate energy 100's or 1000's of miles away when we can literally do it at the point of use. Tesla may have done a wonderful thing in winning the day with AC power but had Edison won the day with DC, we may have been far better off in regards to point of use generation. Also I'm a big fan of low voltage DC lighting and the sooner we move away from 120 VAC home lighting and towards 12/24 VDC lighting using LED technology for example, the better IMO. As for cars, sure there's electric but there's also other technologies including a compressed air powered car. Sure, it requires a compressor but who sez that compressor can't be driven by solar or wind. The inventer of the air car is also working on an onboard compressor that makes the air car a literal perpetual motion machine. Engineering sez this is impossible but it was once impossible to go to the moon or see the farthest galaxies so what's impossible? You were 1000% right when you said: "There are many innovative solutions to the supposed energy crisis, but there is less ability to monopolize and profit from them and we all know, the robber barons like their monopolies(better yet , when no one realizes they are monopolies)" I'm as much against centralized "Corporate Power" as I am centralized gov't power and making you own power and being grid free is just as important as being gov't free. I might even rate grid free the more important of the 2. Consider one of my favorite publications, Conspiratorialist Today...just kidding...it's actually [URL="http://www.homepower.com/home/"][COLOR=red]Home Power Magazine[/COLOR][/URL] which has tons of great articles and ideas on the subject of self generating power. As for how we live, google Mike Reynolds and "Earthship". A more detailed look at Mike can be found in the documentary "Garbage Warrior" seen as recently as this past Sunday on the Sundance Channel. The sooner we break from cartel oil and cartel electric power, the better off we will all be IMO. [/QUOTE]
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