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<blockquote data-quote="PrimeUPS" data-source="post: 1492517" data-attributes="member: 56792"><p>You likely misheard them, there were probably some key words in that that you either didn't hear or didn't bother to clarify. Everyone hired after October 15th is seasonal. I know of no master IBT agreement or supplement that says otherwise; RTW state or not. If you know of something different, cite it. Peak Seasonal as it is treated in the CBA is NOT the same as "temporary". October 15-January 15, the rules are different. The contracts are specifically written that way.</p><p></p><p>That said, let's say for a minute you're right and HR gave your orientation class the butterflies with a "oh, yeah, you'll be back" speech. Some people may disagree, but I doubt the intent was deceptive. They maybe should have qualified it with "if you do well and get a rehire status". Either way, when it comes to employment nothing is given until it's on paper. That's why we have these things called offer letters, policy books, union books, and union forms. They all serve a contractual purpose whether you're management or union in governing the employer/employee relationship. I am 100% certain you didn't get such a thing from HR saying you were guaranteed anything, despite what you seem to think.</p><p></p><p>On that note, let's examine your current course of options and bitter belligerence. These 'simpletons' are trying to help you. I cannot emphasize this enough: if you want to work at UPS, do NOT burn a bridge. If they don't select that Eligible for Rehire box. You're done. Forever. The list NEVER goes away. It never expires, it never sunsets, it doesn't have a statute of limitations... as the movie quotes go friend O R E V E R! I don't know what you started as but if you want to bemoan the hard work and low pay or lack of hours, work some place else. It's pretty simple. The situation is always in your hands. If you want to get your hands dirty and work your way up like everyone else had to, then soldier up and do what you can to get called back. Learn the job, excel at it, and earn your way. Nobody at UPS is going to hand you anything. If you truly feel you were sold a bill of goods, go into HR, see a Steward, contact your Local and see what options there are. At the same time, the principle holds - don't ask, unless you're ready for the answer (good, bad, or indifferent).</p><p></p><p>In closing... nobody owes you anything. Not UPS. Not IBT. UPS is a union shop. You pay dues, seasonal or not. I know of no master or supplement that says otherwise. You just pay different dues based on varying circumstances and the laws of the state. UPS is a private, albeit publicly traded, company. It's not like a public union where laws exempt workers like SEIU. The bang you get for that buck is directly on you. It's like paying for utilities, you pay the power company a base rate whether you turn your lights on or not. If you don't like being in the union, do what is necessary to get into management and start on that path.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PrimeUPS, post: 1492517, member: 56792"] You likely misheard them, there were probably some key words in that that you either didn't hear or didn't bother to clarify. Everyone hired after October 15th is seasonal. I know of no master IBT agreement or supplement that says otherwise; RTW state or not. If you know of something different, cite it. Peak Seasonal as it is treated in the CBA is NOT the same as "temporary". October 15-January 15, the rules are different. The contracts are specifically written that way. That said, let's say for a minute you're right and HR gave your orientation class the butterflies with a "oh, yeah, you'll be back" speech. Some people may disagree, but I doubt the intent was deceptive. They maybe should have qualified it with "if you do well and get a rehire status". Either way, when it comes to employment nothing is given until it's on paper. That's why we have these things called offer letters, policy books, union books, and union forms. They all serve a contractual purpose whether you're management or union in governing the employer/employee relationship. I am 100% certain you didn't get such a thing from HR saying you were guaranteed anything, despite what you seem to think. On that note, let's examine your current course of options and bitter belligerence. These 'simpletons' are trying to help you. I cannot emphasize this enough: if you want to work at UPS, do NOT burn a bridge. If they don't select that Eligible for Rehire box. You're done. Forever. The list NEVER goes away. It never expires, it never sunsets, it doesn't have a statute of limitations... as the movie quotes go friend O R E V E R! I don't know what you started as but if you want to bemoan the hard work and low pay or lack of hours, work some place else. It's pretty simple. The situation is always in your hands. If you want to get your hands dirty and work your way up like everyone else had to, then soldier up and do what you can to get called back. Learn the job, excel at it, and earn your way. Nobody at UPS is going to hand you anything. If you truly feel you were sold a bill of goods, go into HR, see a Steward, contact your Local and see what options there are. At the same time, the principle holds - don't ask, unless you're ready for the answer (good, bad, or indifferent). In closing... nobody owes you anything. Not UPS. Not IBT. UPS is a union shop. You pay dues, seasonal or not. I know of no master or supplement that says otherwise. You just pay different dues based on varying circumstances and the laws of the state. UPS is a private, albeit publicly traded, company. It's not like a public union where laws exempt workers like SEIU. The bang you get for that buck is directly on you. It's like paying for utilities, you pay the power company a base rate whether you turn your lights on or not. If you don't like being in the union, do what is necessary to get into management and start on that path. [/QUOTE]
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