Speculation of the Future at UPS

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by DenverBrownDotCom, Apr 4, 2009.

  1. DenverBrownDotCom

    DenverBrownDotCom New Member

    The Big Brown Future

    I'm not generally one to try to predict the future, but I can speculate based on what I see today. Obviously each of you reading our blog has the right to speculate as well and I invite your comments on the future at UPS and with the Teamsters Union. My speculation is based on today, tomorrow the economy may crash, Hoffa may leave the union, UPS may close it's doors, the savior may return. Not being psychic I just can't make those kind of predictions. Today we have the implementation of Telematics. The refining of PAS. The lay-offs of employees. The drop in package volume. The election of Barack Obama. The republican ability to filibuster anything that comes before the senate. A weak senate majority leader. The company's desire to take advantage of the current economic climate to weaken the union. The attack of the right wing blow hards that hate the middle class. All of these things, and many more, present themselves to create what may happen tomorrow. My expectation is that the company will be cracking the whip on drivers for production. They will sit in their little cubicle, with their computers on, watching your every move. You will recall in articles I have written in the past about the Lord and Master running the show from his throne on high. All of the new technology fits right into that theory. Telematics is designed to allow fewer management people to control and affect more people. They do look at management as overhead, not an asset. We have made the move in our building to one sup. for every 30 drivers. That would be impossible except they can pick any driver, and watch their performance on any given day, with the click of a mouse. Their favorite management tool has always been intimidation with a large dose of harassment. Fortunately the Teamsters have kept them from directly disciplining you using the new technologies, but it is still easy for them to harass you, and ultimately catch you in other ways if you are screwing around. The managers do not realize that the Teamsters have also saved some of their jobs indirectly, because they have required direct observation, which means more supervisors. When they can discipline off of the computer screen, you will see a direct reduction in management, (along with a large outcry from the usually silent Teamster member). My prediction is the company will continue to attack contractual language that prevents them from directly using information from all technological sources for discipline. My expectation from a Teamster standpoint is that the Union will be slow to respond, and will not be overly concerned until many of you have been harassed and/or terminated. The union presence has already diminished from my viewpoint in the interest of the card check legislation, and other political desires, (a very good thing but!?), meanwhile you and I are watching the company come in the back door of the vehicle with the power to beat us up from afar. Many of our Union officials are so far detached from what it's like to do our job in this day of technology, that we should be very afraid of what they will negotiate on our behalf. In their support, I feel their desire will be to bring us the help we need, but we will have to rise up and let them know what is happening to us out here every day. That brings me to rising up. I feel that anyone trying to rise up will be targeted by the new technologies. They now have the ability to go after you simply because you open your mouth. My feeling is that they will attack the stewards, and any of the more radical types directly. The Teamster officials will have to get militant about protecting their workhorses within the rank and file. I have watched the end results of the JAC's in recent years, and I feel that those people have little or no connection to the rank and file steward. It has appeared to become another throne like position to hold within the Teamsters. I don't believe it's due to evil intentions, it's just the way the system is, and if the Teamsters do not do something to change it, they will fall by the wayside with the rank and file. No driver in his right mind will subject himself to the intense scrutiny the company will be able to bring forth, with no backing from the Union. So here is what my prediction would be based on today. I see the Union strengthening in numbers throughout the country because of the ability to organize. I see the strength of the Union being weakened inside the workplace because of a sense of detachment and a "slow as molasses" ability to deal with changing technologies. I see the company being able to target people simply for raising their hand as a Union member. As usual I see the membership being complacent and getting their news from fat, blow hards, and having no clue what is happening to them. All of this is based on today.
    Who knows what tomorrow will bring!


    What do you see for tomorrow? I can't wait to hear.
     
  2. Tiny Panda

    Tiny Panda Member

    Paragraphs would have been nice, my eyes hurt
     
  3. MonavieLeaker

    MonavieLeaker Bringin Teh_Lulz

     
  4. drewed

    drewed Shankman

    yea please post again with parapgraphs.
     
  5. DenverBrownDotCom

    DenverBrownDotCom New Member

    Sorry, just a cut and paste article brought over from Denver Brown. Can't edit it here.
     
  6. dilligaf

    dilligaf IN VINO VERITAS

    Yes you can, just like I just did.:peaceful:
     
  7. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    If the union runs the company, I see UPS bleeding money. A $3 stock price and no dividend payment. Along with major credit downgrades. I see a GM 7 years down the road.
     
  8. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    the future? Bionics and robotics to replace our people. Even I will be replaced by a robot capable of drinking coffee and reading the newspaper:happy-very:
     
  9. DenverBrownDotCom

    DenverBrownDotCom New Member

    Couldn't help it Didn't want it to print again.
     
  10. DenverBrownDotCom

    DenverBrownDotCom New Member

    We wouldn't expect the union to run the company, just negotiate on the union members behalf. Something you probably don't quite understand. It's called negotiating job security. Negotiating fairness into the disciplinary system, and protections from singleing you out. A lot of our contract was negotiated in the thirties and forties. As you can see things have changed. By the way UPS stock is higher today than non-union Fed EX and we are paid better. Our company is more profitable, and our employees make a better living. Sucks to be Teamsters doesn't it?
     
  11. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member


    Maybe you should get out of your box and look at the big picture.
     
  12. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    The Big Brown Future

    I'm not generally one to try to predict the future, but I can speculate based on what I see today. Obviously each of you reading our blog has the right to speculate as well and I invite your comments on the future at UPS and with the Teamsters Union. My speculation is based on today, tomorrow the economy may crash, Hoffa may leave the union, UPS may close it's doors, the savior may return. Not being psychic I just can't make those kind of predictions.

    Today we have the implementation of Telematics. The refining of PAS. The lay-offs of employees. The drop in package volume. The election of Barack Obama. The republican ability to filibuster anything that comes before the senate. A weak senate majority leader. The company's desire to take advantage of the current economic climate to weaken the union. The attack of the right wing blow hards that hate the middle class. All of these things, and many more, present themselves to create what may happen tomorrow.

    My expectation is that the company will be cracking the whip on drivers for production. They will sit in their little cubicle, with their computers on, watching your every move. You will recall in articles I have written in the past about the Lord and Master running the show from his throne on high. All of the new technology fits right into that theory.

    Telematics is designed to allow fewer management people to control and affect more people. They do look at management as overhead, not an asset. We have made the move in our building to one sup. for every 30 drivers. That would be impossible except they can pick any driver, and watch their performance on any given day, with the click of a mouse.

    Their favorite management tool has always been intimidation with a large dose of harassment. Fortunately the Teamsters have kept them from directly disciplining you using the new technologies, but it is still easy for them to harass you, and ultimately catch you in other ways if you are screwing around. The managers do not realize that the Teamsters have also saved some of their jobs indirectly, because they have required direct observation, which means more supervisors. When they can discipline off of the computer screen, you will see a direct reduction in management, (along with a large outcry from the usually silent Teamster member).

    My prediction is the company will continue to attack contractual language that prevents them from directly using information from all technological sources for discipline. My expectation from a Teamster standpoint is that the Union will be slow to respond, and will not be overly concerned until many of you have been harassed and/or terminated.

    The union presence has already diminished from my viewpoint in the interest of the card check legislation, and other political desires; meanwhile, you and I are watching the company come in the back door of the vehicle with the power to beat us up from afar. Many of our Union officials are so far detached from what it's like to do our job in this day of technology, that we should be very afraid of what they will negotiate on our behalf. In their support, I feel their desire will be to bring us the help we need, but we will have to rise up and let them know what is happening to us out here every day.

    That brings me to rising up. I feel that anyone trying to rise up will be targeted by the new technologies. They now have the ability to go after you simply because you open your mouth. My feeling is that they will attack the stewards, and any of the more radical types directly. The Teamster officials will have to get militant about protecting their workhorses within the rank and file. I have watched the end results of the JAC's in recent years, and I feel that those people have little or no connection to the rank and file steward. It has appeared to become another throne like position to hold within the Teamsters. I don't believe it's due to evil intentions, it's just the way the system is, and if the Teamsters do not do something to change it, they will fall by the wayside with the rank and file. No driver in his right mind will subject himself to the intense scrutiny the company will be able to bring forth, with no backing from the Union.

    So here is what my prediction would be based on today. I see the Union strengthening in numbers throughout the country because of the ability to organize. I see the strength of the Union being weakened inside the workplace because of a sense of detachment and a "slow as molasses" ability to deal with changing technologies. I see the company being able to target people simply for raising their hand as a Union member. As usual I see the membership being complacent and getting their news from fat, blow hards, and having no clue what is happening to them. All of this is based on today. What do you see for tomorrow? I can't wait to hear.
     
  13. DenverBrownDotCom

    DenverBrownDotCom New Member

    Thanks, you'll have to show me how you do that sometime!
     
  14. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    I basically took what you had posted, quoted it, and then broke it down in to paragraphs. As the OP, what you could have done was posted it, previewed your post and then broke it down in to paragraphs while in preview mode and then submit your edited post. The content of what you posted was not changed but breaking it down in to paragraphs does make it easier to read.
     
  15. DenverBrownDotCom

    DenverBrownDotCom New Member

    Got it. Thanks.
     
  16. BrownEvo

    BrownEvo New Member

    What about the future for Package Handlers? :[
     
  17. DS

    DS Fenderbender

    The future of Package handlers is ridiculously dependant on the future @ups
     
  18. rod

    rod retired and happy

    In the grand scheme of things there isn't anything you can do to influence the future of UPS. That is up to the chosen few that sit in the ivory towers in Atlanta and they seem determined to to take a once Great company and squeeze the life out of it. Sad:sad-little:
     
  19. bscott85

    bscott85 New Member

    my hub has been UP in volume for the past 2 years and continues to go up in volume..
     
  20. DenverBrownDotCom

    DenverBrownDotCom New Member

    Somehow I think your looking at the big picture from somewhere else the sun doesn't shine other than a box.