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<blockquote data-quote="tieguy" data-source="post: 78093" data-attributes="member: 1912"><p>Danny, </p><p> </p><p>I won't deny you or mac the right to vigilance. I do think maybe we spend too much time worrying about what is wrong and not talking about what is right in our world. </p><p> </p><p>What perturbs me is those of us who are patriots are now ostracized as being blind to reality. I think I can be real and still be positive about this country. </p><p> </p><p>The problem with the CIA example you give and the current buzz about the NSA eavesdropping is those organizations can not give us the details on their accomplishments without revealing confidential information. Therefore this debate will always be one-sided. </p><p> </p><p>I think the question you originally asked is a good test. Who has been hurt by this . If the eavesdropping has resulted in the average citizen being hurt or embarrassed then we have a problem. We have heard all the horror stories about our country and the CIA. We have apparently done or supported everything rotten that has ever happened in the world. And yet neither you or I or any neighbor or any family member has ever had the black booted storm troopers breaking our doors down. </p><p> </p><p>So when being a patriot now means I get accused of being a blind nazi then I have a real problem with that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tieguy, post: 78093, member: 1912"] Danny, I won't deny you or mac the right to vigilance. I do think maybe we spend too much time worrying about what is wrong and not talking about what is right in our world. What perturbs me is those of us who are patriots are now ostracized as being blind to reality. I think I can be real and still be positive about this country. The problem with the CIA example you give and the current buzz about the NSA eavesdropping is those organizations can not give us the details on their accomplishments without revealing confidential information. Therefore this debate will always be one-sided. I think the question you originally asked is a good test. Who has been hurt by this . If the eavesdropping has resulted in the average citizen being hurt or embarrassed then we have a problem. We have heard all the horror stories about our country and the CIA. We have apparently done or supported everything rotten that has ever happened in the world. And yet neither you or I or any neighbor or any family member has ever had the black booted storm troopers breaking our doors down. So when being a patriot now means I get accused of being a blind nazi then I have a real problem with that. [/QUOTE]
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