Step 1: file grievance or talk?

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by smapple, Mar 28, 2016.

  1. smapple

    smapple Member

    Hub cut precharge/wrapup for hourlies which means sups are now doing those jobs, should I file a grievance or talk with someone first?
     
  2. gorilla75jdw

    gorilla75jdw Active Member

    File file file
     
  3. Edd Orion

    Edd Orion Member

    File.... Union work
     
  4. UniteandWin

    UniteandWin Active Member

    You are going to file, but why not cover all openings by bringing attention to situations verbally with a steward. We do this because we don't allow the company to go straight to progressive discipline, without verbal warning. Ot makes your case stronger

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  5. BrownTexas

    BrownTexas Well-Known Member

    Id let them know you are going to file. Then stand their and watch them work. Simply say "you can either pay me to do it, or you can do it and pay me doubly time."
     
  6. twoweeled

    twoweeled Active Member

    Just mention it to them, on your way to write the grievance. No threats or big talk. Just mention it and do what you gotta do. But don't be one of these thousands of guys we work with, who threaten to do this and that - and don't do squat!! Then you look like a spineless blowhard to management. Just mention it, and do it. After a few, "mention and file grievance " episodes. They'll listen a lot better when you mention stuff in the future.
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  7. 10013

    10013 Member

    Article 3 violation.
     
  8. gorilla75jdw

    gorilla75jdw Active Member

    Why in the hell would you mention it , you don't have to . File the grievance or don't . What are you people smoking ?
     
  9. 10013

    10013 Member

    Your post is confusing. Please be clear.the first step of a grievance is verbal.
     
  10. gorilla75jdw

    gorilla75jdw Active Member

    A steward should mention it (but does not have to ) , an hourly can file whenever they choose , no verbal needed .
     
  11. By The Book

    By The Book Well-Known Member

    The first step of progressive discipline is a verbal warning
     
  12. Mugarolla

    Mugarolla Light 'em up!

    Correct, sort of. A verbal warning "is" the first step of progressive discipline but the first step of progressive discipline is "not" necessarily a verbal warning.

    Contractually, the only thing UPS has to issue a verbal warning for first is attendance. Any other infraction can go straight to a warning letter, or discharge if a cardinal sin.
     
  13. By The Book

    By The Book Well-Known Member

    Good points!
     
  14. twoweeled

    twoweeled Active Member

    I don't think that's correct, unless something has changed. It's sounds like your skipping the "he said/I said. I also know that in the last couple of years, management has started to skip the He said/I said and have gone straight to the warning letter. In the interest of reality, Management can do whatever they want. The question is, will it hold if it's taken to the worse case scenario. Odds are it will not stand. UPS can fire you for looking ugly if they wish, but it will not stand at arbitration. TANGENT ALERT!!
    Bottom line, He said/ I said is a step in the progression of discipline. Of course, Cardinal sins are one of the exceptions to this. management has circumvented this one, by categorizing "virtually everything" under dishonesty.
     
  15. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    Help me out.


    What contactual language says that ??



    -Bug-
     
  16. twoweeled

    twoweeled Active Member

    I have never read it. But I'm guessing you are also aware of "pass practice". That has undoubtedly been pass practice for at least 30 years. Which more than validates it. It may very well be written in some form. Either way, it has been pass practice.
     
  17. burrheadd

    burrheadd Superstar

    It's "past" not "pass"
    Hope that helps
     
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  18. twoweeled

    twoweeled Active Member

    LOL Yes it is! You be right. Keep in mind, that was around 8:00 in da morning. I'm retired! I don't wake up, till 10:00!
     
  19. BrownTexas

    BrownTexas Well-Known Member

    Glad I don't have to worry about this one. Sadly, @IVE's face and backside are hard to distinguish from one another. I'll start a fund immediately. HA
     
  20. Mugarolla

    Mugarolla Light 'em up!

    Aticle 17 CRSA.

    Most other supplements have similar language.