Step 1: file grievance or talk?

[smapple]

Hub cut precharge/wrapup for hourlies which means sups are now doing those jobs, should I file a grievance or talk with someone first?

 

[gorilla75jdw]

File file file

 

[Edd Orion]

File.... Union work

 

[UniteandWin]

You are going to file, but why not cover all openings by bringing attention to situations verbally with a steward. We do this because we don't allow the company to go straight to progressive discipline, without verbal warning. Ot makes your case stronger

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[BrownTexas]

Id let them know you are going to file. Then stand their and watch them work. Simply say "you can either pay me to do it, or you can do it and pay me doubly time."

 

[twoweeled]

Hub cut precharge/wrapup for hourlies which means sups are now doing those jobs, should I file a grievance or talk with someone first?

Just mention it to them, on your way to write the grievance. No threats or big talk. Just mention it and do what you gotta do. But don't be one of these thousands of guys we work with, who threaten to do this and that - and don't do squat!! Then you look like a spineless blowhard to management. Just mention it, and do it. After a few, "mention and file grievance " episodes. They'll listen a lot better when you mention stuff in the future.

 

[10013]

Hub cut precharge/wrapup for hourlies which means sups are now doing those jobs, should I file a grievance or talk with someone first?

Article 3 violation.

 

[gorilla75jdw]

Why in the hell would you mention it , you don't have to . File the grievance or don't . What are you people smoking ?

 

[10013]

Why in the hell would you mention it , you don't have to . File the grievance or don't . What are you people smoking ?

Your post is confusing. Please be clear.the first step of a grievance is verbal.

 

[gorilla75jdw]

A steward should mention it (but does not have to ) , an hourly can file whenever they choose , no verbal needed .

 

[By The Book]

Your post is confusing. Please be clear.the first step of a grievance is verbal.

The first step of progressive discipline is a verbal warning

 

[Mugarolla]

The first step of progressive discipline is a verbal warning

Correct, sort of. A verbal warning "is" the first step of progressive discipline but the first step of progressive discipline is "not" necessarily a verbal warning.

Contractually, the only thing UPS has to issue a verbal warning for first is attendance. Any other infraction can go straight to a warning letter, or discharge if a cardinal sin.

 

[By The Book]

Correct, sort of. A verbal warning "is" the first step of progressive discipline but the first step of progressive discipline is "not" necessarily a verbal warning.

Contractually, the only thing UPS has to issue a verbal warning for first is attendance. Any other infraction can go straight to a warning letter, or discharge if a cardinal sin.

Good points!

 

[twoweeled]

Correct, sort of. A verbal warning "is" the first step of progressive discipline but the first step of progressive discipline is "not" necessarily a verbal warning.

Contractually, the only thing UPS has to issue a verbal warning for first is attendance. Any other infraction can go straight to a warning letter, or discharge if a cardinal sin.

I don't think that's correct, unless something has changed. It's sounds like your skipping the "he said/I said. I also know that in the last couple of years, management has started to skip the He said/I said and have gone straight to the warning letter. In the interest of reality, Management can do whatever they want. The question is, will it hold if it's taken to the worse case scenario. Odds are it will not stand. UPS can fire you for looking ugly if they wish, but it will not stand at arbitration. TANGENT ALERT!!
Bottom line, He said/ I said is a step in the progression of discipline. Of course, Cardinal sins are one of the exceptions to this. management has circumvented this one, by categorizing "virtually everything" under dishonesty.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Contractually, the only thing UPS has to issue a verbal warning for first is attendance. Any other infraction can go straight to a warning letter, or discharge if a cardinal sin.

Help me out.


What contactual language says that ??



-Bug-

 

[twoweeled]

I have never read it. But I'm guessing you are also aware of "pass practice". That has undoubtedly been pass practice for at least 30 years. Which more than validates it. It may very well be written in some form. Either way, it has been pass practice.

 

[burrheadd]

I have never read it. But I'm guessing you are also aware of "pass practice". That has undoubtedly been pass practice for at least 30 years. Which more than validates it. It may very well be written in some form. Either way, it has been pass practice.

It's "past" not "pass"
Hope that helps

 

[twoweeled]

It's "past" not "pass"
Hope that helps

LOL Yes it is! You be right. Keep in mind, that was around 8:00 in da morning. I'm retired! I don't wake up, till 10:00!

 

[BrownTexas]

UPS can fire you for looking ugly if they wish, but it will not stand at arbitration.

Glad I don't have to worry about this one. Sadly, @IVE's face and backside are hard to distinguish from one another. I'll start a fund immediately. HA

 

[Mugarolla]

Help me out.


What contactual language says that ??



-Bug-

Aticle 17 CRSA.

Most other supplements have similar language.