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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 320889" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p><strong>AV8</strong>,</p><p></p><p>I know when you read this:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You had to throw up your arms, roll your eyes and exclaim, <span style="font-size: 18px">"OH MY GOD, NOT ANOTHER ONE!" </span><span style="font-size: 10px">and thinking as well of me.</span></p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/emoticons/rofl.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="Rofl :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" /></p><p></p><p>(<strong>Note to Brownshark)</strong>, not laughing or making fun at ya but rather at myself and the thought of AV just shaking his head thinking he's got another idiot to deal with. Hoping you can enjopy the humor of the situation also. Sorry if you don't see the humor in it but when it's all said and done here, this whole exercise really is one big joke so why not laugh at the end of the day! I can honestly say I really don't take this website to serious so there you go!</p><p></p><p>AV and I have had some spirited debates over US Foreign policy although unlike yourself I've never mentioned, suggested or spoke of suggested, alledged or even proven acts like the killing of an 11 year old in theater because IMO the real root cause is not at the feet of the soldier but rather at the feet of civilian policy makers in Washington who in the vast majority of cases have never even held a weapon in hand.</p><p></p><p>I'll join you all day long in questioning policy as I initially gave some support to the Iraq invasion because of the potential and my belief was his WMD was likely stamped "Made in USA" along with some French and Russian stuff but that all began to change in 2005' for me. I've come to believe the US has pulled another 1960's CIA coup like the one used to install Saddam and the Baathist except this time instead of the CIA operatives using arms lenght plausible deniability, we used the US military with Congressional sanction under the leadership of Cheney and the small cadre of Neo-Cons <a href="http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm</span></a> who had postioned themselves with the Bush adminstration. I also believe we were acting on behalf of AIPAC who had an obvious interest <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20060416082235/http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">https://web.archive.org/web/20060416082235/http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm</span></a> but the fear factor of pointing that out is so overwhelming. I also believe an economic connection in that Saddam was in process at the time of ending OPEC policy of all oil trades via US dollar and instead moving toward the Euro. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20080511231437/http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/IraqWarFRN.pdf" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20080511231437/http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/IraqWarFRN.pdf</a> This also helps explain IMO the reluctance of France and other European countries from wholeheartedly backing Saddam's removal. Their economic potential gain was substantial IMO. But that's OK, all's well that end's well as the Bush admistration has done a better job than Saddam at debasing the dollar on the world market. Maybe Bush moved against Saddam so he could beat him to the punch!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p></p><p>Oddly enough, when the saber rattling towards Iran ramped up a couple of years ago, it coincided perfectly with Iran publicly moving towards opening up a new tradng market for oil using euros in place of doallrs <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html</span></a> in direct competition with New York and London which by trading policy are the only 2 centers for oil trading.)</p><p></p><p><strong>Open point to subject matter</strong></p><p></p><p>1 Timothy 6:10 sez,</p><p>"For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." (KJV)</p><p></p><p>1 Timothy 3:3 goes on to say, "Not given to wine, no striker, <strong>not greedy of filthy lucre</strong>; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;" (KJV)</p><p></p><p>Lucre is middle english from the latin Lucrum and means money or profits. The evil is not money or profits in itself which can be gain via fair and honest means but filthy or ill gotten gain by means of evil intent or desires. You might also say that someone who <span style="font-size: 15px"><u>doesn't respect</u></span> the principles of freedom and liberty of others and their ability to operate and control their own productivity, natural resources etc. in a free and open market of honest and fair trade but rather those who use gov't control and manipulation up to and including military force would IMO fill the bill of the warnings of the 2 verses of 1 Timothy. I bet some of you thought I didn't know where a bible was much less what was in it! <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p></p><p>To anyone, don't go there as if I'm saying money or profits is bad. Not by any stretch of ignorant imagination do I believe that! It's when the love or covetousness of money drives you to commit evil and that gain is the "filthy lucre" spoke of.</p><p></p><p><strong>Brownshark</strong>, As for attacking wrongdoing in theater? That's on you as I refuse to go there. I'll stick to the root cause which if removed also removes the events of in theater. Other points you made in some of your posts I enjoyed and appreciated. Welcome yourself to the sandbox called the "Current Events" forum! And thanks for bringing Tie, he has the hots for me but of late he's been playing hard to get! I think he's cheating on me.</p><p></p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /> @ Tie</p><p></p><p><strong>AV</strong>,</p><p>You and I will disagree most likely till the cows come home on Middle East policy but rest assured, I'll never disrespect the uniform of the American soldier who serve wearing it. Maybe as hard as it is for you to believe, I've got friends over there and ones that have been so I've heard from perspectives up close and personal and it goes in all directions. When you have to react almost in an instant, you don't always have the luxury of taking the time to figure out all the circumstances around you. A delay of a split second could cost you your life. You have to make that choice of do I live or do I chance it? People's survival instincts kick in and any one of us in that same situation may also make the same choice that guns down an 11 year old child.</p><p></p><p>Unlike Cheney's assertion that the men and women "choose to be there", these men and women choose to serve and defend this country as mandated under constitutional authority and I happen to think a higher calling than being elected to public office BTW. Those men and women "choose to serve" under the belief and pretext that their service would be used to defend America from true foreign threats. AV, I know we disagree on those specifics but the bottom line for me again, is the root cause and the service men and women are not that in any way in my book.</p><p></p><p>JMO with all due respect to both you and Brownshark.</p><p></p><p>And that line is no joke!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/emoticons/salute.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":salute:" title="Salute :salute:" data-shortname=":salute:" /> <strong>to you both.</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 320889, member: 2189"] [B]AV8[/B], I know when you read this: You had to throw up your arms, roll your eyes and exclaim, [SIZE=5]"OH MY GOD, NOT ANOTHER ONE!" [/SIZE][SIZE=2]and thinking as well of me.[/SIZE] :rofl: ([B]Note to Brownshark)[/B], not laughing or making fun at ya but rather at myself and the thought of AV just shaking his head thinking he's got another idiot to deal with. Hoping you can enjopy the humor of the situation also. Sorry if you don't see the humor in it but when it's all said and done here, this whole exercise really is one big joke so why not laugh at the end of the day! I can honestly say I really don't take this website to serious so there you go! AV and I have had some spirited debates over US Foreign policy although unlike yourself I've never mentioned, suggested or spoke of suggested, alledged or even proven acts like the killing of an 11 year old in theater because IMO the real root cause is not at the feet of the soldier but rather at the feet of civilian policy makers in Washington who in the vast majority of cases have never even held a weapon in hand. I'll join you all day long in questioning policy as I initially gave some support to the Iraq invasion because of the potential and my belief was his WMD was likely stamped "Made in USA" along with some French and Russian stuff but that all began to change in 2005' for me. I've come to believe the US has pulled another 1960's CIA coup like the one used to install Saddam and the Baathist except this time instead of the CIA operatives using arms lenght plausible deniability, we used the US military with Congressional sanction under the leadership of Cheney and the small cadre of Neo-Cons [URL='http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm'][COLOR=red]http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm[/COLOR][/URL] who had postioned themselves with the Bush adminstration. I also believe we were acting on behalf of AIPAC who had an obvious interest [URL='https://web.archive.org/web/20060416082235/http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm'][COLOR=red]https://web.archive.org/web/20060416082235/http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm[/COLOR][/URL] but the fear factor of pointing that out is so overwhelming. I also believe an economic connection in that Saddam was in process at the time of ending OPEC policy of all oil trades via US dollar and instead moving toward the Euro. [URL]https://web.archive.org/web/20080511231437/http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/IraqWarFRN.pdf[/URL] This also helps explain IMO the reluctance of France and other European countries from wholeheartedly backing Saddam's removal. Their economic potential gain was substantial IMO. But that's OK, all's well that end's well as the Bush admistration has done a better job than Saddam at debasing the dollar on the world market. Maybe Bush moved against Saddam so he could beat him to the punch! :happy-very: Oddly enough, when the saber rattling towards Iran ramped up a couple of years ago, it coincided perfectly with Iran publicly moving towards opening up a new tradng market for oil using euros in place of doallrs [URL='http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html'][COLOR=red]http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html[/COLOR][/URL] in direct competition with New York and London which by trading policy are the only 2 centers for oil trading.) [B]Open point to subject matter[/B] 1 Timothy 6:10 sez, "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." (KJV) 1 Timothy 3:3 goes on to say, "Not given to wine, no striker, [B]not greedy of filthy lucre[/B]; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;" (KJV) Lucre is middle english from the latin Lucrum and means money or profits. The evil is not money or profits in itself which can be gain via fair and honest means but filthy or ill gotten gain by means of evil intent or desires. You might also say that someone who [SIZE=4][U]doesn't respect[/U][/SIZE] the principles of freedom and liberty of others and their ability to operate and control their own productivity, natural resources etc. in a free and open market of honest and fair trade but rather those who use gov't control and manipulation up to and including military force would IMO fill the bill of the warnings of the 2 verses of 1 Timothy. I bet some of you thought I didn't know where a bible was much less what was in it! :happy-very: To anyone, don't go there as if I'm saying money or profits is bad. Not by any stretch of ignorant imagination do I believe that! It's when the love or covetousness of money drives you to commit evil and that gain is the "filthy lucre" spoke of. [B]Brownshark[/B], As for attacking wrongdoing in theater? That's on you as I refuse to go there. I'll stick to the root cause which if removed also removes the events of in theater. Other points you made in some of your posts I enjoyed and appreciated. Welcome yourself to the sandbox called the "Current Events" forum! And thanks for bringing Tie, he has the hots for me but of late he's been playing hard to get! I think he's cheating on me. :wink2: @ Tie [B]AV[/B], You and I will disagree most likely till the cows come home on Middle East policy but rest assured, I'll never disrespect the uniform of the American soldier who serve wearing it. Maybe as hard as it is for you to believe, I've got friends over there and ones that have been so I've heard from perspectives up close and personal and it goes in all directions. When you have to react almost in an instant, you don't always have the luxury of taking the time to figure out all the circumstances around you. A delay of a split second could cost you your life. You have to make that choice of do I live or do I chance it? People's survival instincts kick in and any one of us in that same situation may also make the same choice that guns down an 11 year old child. Unlike Cheney's assertion that the men and women "choose to be there", these men and women choose to serve and defend this country as mandated under constitutional authority and I happen to think a higher calling than being elected to public office BTW. Those men and women "choose to serve" under the belief and pretext that their service would be used to defend America from true foreign threats. AV, I know we disagree on those specifics but the bottom line for me again, is the root cause and the service men and women are not that in any way in my book. JMO with all due respect to both you and Brownshark. And that line is no joke! :salute: [B]to you both.[/B] [/QUOTE]
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