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<blockquote data-quote="ok2bclever" data-source="post: 72618" data-attributes="member: 1356"><p>gee tie, I always have you to blame the union for everything, so that leaves it up to me to point out UPS isn't the lily white innocent in all of this.</p><p></p><p>I have always agreed the Teamsters are part of the problem.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps you have a comprehension problem?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I would rather fix the problem and assigning blame as a primary tool in fixing a problem has always been a UPS belief, not mine.</p><p></p><p>UPS has had a rep on the CSPF for a decade plus.</p><p></p><p>You know, during the time it is failing.</p><p></p><p>Yet, has failed to do anything about the situation that you imply is caused by mismanagement and company failures.</p><p></p><p>Nor has UPS so much as educated their employees on the problem in any of that time, <em>including</em> during the 97 contract strike.</p><p></p><p>You continue on the "failed company employees" myth, but if the companies had been inputting an adequate contribution level then this would not be a factor as the only employees that would draw from the pension are those that earned enough time through company contributions.</p><p></p><p>That they are causing a problem means you acknowledge that those companies and UPS were not and are not contributing enough money.</p><p></p><p>Yeah, I know it the Teamster's fault for not negotiating enough from UPS, agreed, but that still makes UPS an accomplice as they knew the pension fund was in trouble <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p>You can't have it both ways. </p><p></p><p>The one issue UPS did/does have exclusive control over is the medical premium issue and there they screwed UPS retirees and are still screwing UPS retirees.</p><p></p><p>UPS tries to mouth they are just following the contract. </p><p></p><p>Why now! why just on this issue?! </p><p></p><p>Plus that was a lie even so, the negotiating committee for the Teamsters told UPS that they considered the intent of that language was to be at least as good and not requiring UPS to lower their standards as well, but UPS did it anyway.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ok2bclever, post: 72618, member: 1356"] gee tie, I always have you to blame the union for everything, so that leaves it up to me to point out UPS isn't the lily white innocent in all of this. I have always agreed the Teamsters are part of the problem. Perhaps you have a comprehension problem? I would rather fix the problem and assigning blame as a primary tool in fixing a problem has always been a UPS belief, not mine. UPS has had a rep on the CSPF for a decade plus. You know, during the time it is failing. Yet, has failed to do anything about the situation that you imply is caused by mismanagement and company failures. Nor has UPS so much as educated their employees on the problem in any of that time, [I]including[/I] during the 97 contract strike. You continue on the "failed company employees" myth, but if the companies had been inputting an adequate contribution level then this would not be a factor as the only employees that would draw from the pension are those that earned enough time through company contributions. That they are causing a problem means you acknowledge that those companies and UPS were not and are not contributing enough money. Yeah, I know it the Teamster's fault for not negotiating enough from UPS, agreed, but that still makes UPS an accomplice as they knew the pension fund was in trouble :p You can't have it both ways. The one issue UPS did/does have exclusive control over is the medical premium issue and there they screwed UPS retirees and are still screwing UPS retirees. UPS tries to mouth they are just following the contract. Why now! why just on this issue?! Plus that was a lie even so, the negotiating committee for the Teamsters told UPS that they considered the intent of that language was to be at least as good and not requiring UPS to lower their standards as well, but UPS did it anyway. [/QUOTE]
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