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<blockquote data-quote="ok2bclever" data-source="post: 72695" data-attributes="member: 1356"><p>danny, </p><p></p><p>It is a fact that the contribution levels are insufficient.</p><p></p><p><em>"if the teamsters know it is underfunded, then why do they raise the benefit without covering the costs"</em></p><p></p><p>I already addressed that raising the benefit level prior to reading your post, I believe it was politically motivated.</p><p></p><p>However, I wish to address the second part of your statement as you continue to support the fantasy that some here try to promote.</p><p></p><p>The pension fund is a separate entity ran by an equal amount of union reps and company reps.</p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>IT ISN"T TEAMSTERS ALONE.</strong></p><p></p><p>This truly seems to be hard for many to understand or at least admit.</p><p></p><p>I agree it's far easier to have one <em>bad guy</em> you can blame, but life is rarely that simple.</p><p></p><p><em>"So who is to blame. You say the company"</em></p><p></p><p>there you go again parrotting a misstatement attributed to me by one individual.</p><p></p><p>I have said, am saying and will continue to say the company is part of the problem, not just the Teamsters.</p><p></p><p>There is a significant difference.</p><p></p><p>Let's do a story problem example.</p><p></p><p>If you and susie and tie were carrying a heavy boxof retirement literature to a meeting that I was holding and it kept getting lower and lower as the three of you became exhausted until you were dragging it through the mud and by the time you got it to me most of the literature was ruined.</p><p></p><p>tie would say it was susie's fault (perhaps you would too <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" /> ) I would say that tie was partly at fault also (never you danny, not from me <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-shortname=";)" /> ).</p><p></p><p>Would you then say the only one I was blaming was tie?</p><p></p><p>(Probably was his fault, but that is neither here nor there. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/biggrin.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-shortname=":D" /> <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/biggrin.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-shortname=":D" /> )</p><p></p><p>I have not said, have never said, am not saying that UPS is soley at fault.</p><p></p><p>You have to separate tie's rhetoric that he tries to put in my mouth with what I actually say.</p><p></p><p>some here love to blame the Teamsters.</p><p></p><p>I only point out that they <u>are not the only players</u> in the game that are at fault.</p><p></p><p>If someone here tried to blame UPS solely for the issue I would be speaking out against that as well.</p><p></p><p><u>That is a fact.</u></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ok2bclever, post: 72695, member: 1356"] danny, It is a fact that the contribution levels are insufficient. [I]"if the teamsters know it is underfunded, then why do they raise the benefit without covering the costs"[/I] I already addressed that raising the benefit level prior to reading your post, I believe it was politically motivated. However, I wish to address the second part of your statement as you continue to support the fantasy that some here try to promote. The pension fund is a separate entity ran by an equal amount of union reps and company reps. [B] IT ISN"T TEAMSTERS ALONE.[/B] This truly seems to be hard for many to understand or at least admit. I agree it's far easier to have one [I]bad guy[/I] you can blame, but life is rarely that simple. [I]"So who is to blame. You say the company"[/I] there you go again parrotting a misstatement attributed to me by one individual. I have said, am saying and will continue to say the company is part of the problem, not just the Teamsters. There is a significant difference. Let's do a story problem example. If you and susie and tie were carrying a heavy boxof retirement literature to a meeting that I was holding and it kept getting lower and lower as the three of you became exhausted until you were dragging it through the mud and by the time you got it to me most of the literature was ruined. tie would say it was susie's fault (perhaps you would too :p ) I would say that tie was partly at fault also (never you danny, not from me ;) ). Would you then say the only one I was blaming was tie? (Probably was his fault, but that is neither here nor there. :D :D ) I have not said, have never said, am not saying that UPS is soley at fault. You have to separate tie's rhetoric that he tries to put in my mouth with what I actually say. some here love to blame the Teamsters. I only point out that they [U]are not the only players[/U] in the game that are at fault. If someone here tried to blame UPS solely for the issue I would be speaking out against that as well. [U]That is a fact.[/U] [/QUOTE]
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