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<blockquote data-quote="ok2bclever" data-source="post: 72727" data-attributes="member: 1356"><p>Frankly, a full active membership could get the union to do absolutely anything the membership wanted as far as negotiating priorities and absolutes.</p><p></p><p>The union isn't worried about that ever happening and I don't see it either.</p><p></p><p>The average worker is excrutiatingly lazy on this type of issue.</p><p></p><p>They will work ten, eleven hours a day busting their behind, but they won't put in an hour at a rally or ten minutes writing a letter. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/frown.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-shortname=":(" /> </p><p></p><p>So the International gets to make the decisions and priority list with just a touch of lip service to the membership.</p><p></p><p>wkmac, as a Michigan native, home of GM I am well aware of their problems and there is a world of difference between GM and UPS.</p><p></p><p>More like apples and worms than apples and oranges.</p><p></p><p>As far as the pension issue, it's the same.</p><p></p><p>Underfunding in respect to benefits promised.</p><p></p><p>As mentioned it isn't the only problem or related issue as none of this is that simple, but it is one of the root problems.</p><p></p><p>And look, they are a single employer fund, not a multi-employer fund with lots of other out of business companies to blame it on. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" /> </p><p></p><p>Of course I have been stating that it is a national problem, not a Teamster or multi-employer problem for quite some time and that single employer funds have actually have a far worse record of failing and abuse than multi-employer funds, but what do I know.</p><p></p><p>Just the facts.</p><p></p><p>Not always enough unfortunately.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ok2bclever, post: 72727, member: 1356"] Frankly, a full active membership could get the union to do absolutely anything the membership wanted as far as negotiating priorities and absolutes. The union isn't worried about that ever happening and I don't see it either. The average worker is excrutiatingly lazy on this type of issue. They will work ten, eleven hours a day busting their behind, but they won't put in an hour at a rally or ten minutes writing a letter. :( So the International gets to make the decisions and priority list with just a touch of lip service to the membership. wkmac, as a Michigan native, home of GM I am well aware of their problems and there is a world of difference between GM and UPS. More like apples and worms than apples and oranges. As far as the pension issue, it's the same. Underfunding in respect to benefits promised. As mentioned it isn't the only problem or related issue as none of this is that simple, but it is one of the root problems. And look, they are a single employer fund, not a multi-employer fund with lots of other out of business companies to blame it on. :p Of course I have been stating that it is a national problem, not a Teamster or multi-employer problem for quite some time and that single employer funds have actually have a far worse record of failing and abuse than multi-employer funds, but what do I know. Just the facts. Not always enough unfortunately. [/QUOTE]
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