Taken out of service for not knowing safety dribble?

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by brett636, Jun 17, 2008.

  1. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    So yesterday at my PCM our supervisor informed us that we were undergoing a surprise Ketter audit, and that it was important that we knew all the saftey lists they claim we need to know (5 seeing habits, 10 point commentary, 8 keys to lifting/lowering, 5 keys to slips and falls, elements of backing). We were also told that the word coming straight from our package car division manager of our building that if we were not able to recite every one of those stated lists that we would be taken out of service. Now, I have never had a problem remembering most of those listed above, and I understand the need to be safe, but my understanding is that knowing all this saftey material is not a job requirement. I can't see them taking people out of service because they forgot one of the 8 keys to lifting/lowering, but if they did wouldn't there be some sort of recourse on that? Has anyone else been told the same? Seems a little extreme, and honestly I believe its all bark and no bite, but if they made good on their promise what options would someone have?
     
  2. drewed

    drewed Shankman

    Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

    well its more of your sups arse if you dont know it.... if you ont know it and practice it effectively something wrong happend in the training process
     
  3. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

    Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

    Failure to regurgitate acronyms is not a terminable offense. Nowhere in the contract does it state that memorization of the 10-point commentary is a condition of employment.
    Your supervisor would have absolutely no grounds for taking you out of service. If he did, you could file a grievance for all wages lost. You certainly cannot be suspended from duty without first having been issued a warning letter. Your sup is bluffing....he is under pressure from above to look good on his audit. That is his problem, and that's why he's making the big bucks. Look at it this way...if he is actually stupid enough to suspend you for not repeating a commetary verbatim, you will get a paid day off without having to burn an optional. If it were me, I would go ahead take him up on his little offer. You will find that its all talk and no action.
     
  4. scratch

    scratch Least Best Moderator Staff Member

    Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

    If they took everybody out of service in my Center that couldn't recite that stuff, they would have to just go ahead and close the Center down.
     
  5. Tony31yrs

    Tony31yrs New Member

    Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

    Why don't all of the drivers get together and purposely mess them up? See if they take everyone out of service.
     
  6. hondo

    hondo promoted to mediocrity

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    Brett, since mgmt. has made it clear they intend to discipline over this, I recommend you all demand union representation when they conduct their investigatory interviews.
     
  7. BrownShark

    BrownShark Banned

    Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

    Brett,

    the only thing you are required to do is show up on monday, tuesday, wednesday thursday and friday.

    If in fact any supervisor or manager wants to take you out of service, your 40 hour guarantee cannot be violated and you must be paid for your hours and kept in the building during your 8 hours.

    If anyone is dumb enough to keep a top rate driver inside looking at a computer monitor, then the company should look at the managers ability to maintain fiscal responsibility.

    Today, FEDEX posted a 4th quarter loss and its financial future is weak according to Fred Smith. Fred Smith promises further cuts in expenses and curtainling of "operating costs".

    UPS will follow suit shortly, and cutting "operating costs" will be the order of the day.

    The company and the Union have no agreement on the suspension of any employees guaranteed hours for safety reasons. They can however keep you inside and give you something to do to fill your 8 hours.

    This would not be smart management.

    Unless the company can demonstrate an agreement with the Teamsters that allows them to suspend your hourly guarantees, they have no case.

    There is also NO agreement with the Teamsters for any employee to learn, remember or recite ANY safety related outline word for word or otherwise.

    This is simply overstepping of authority.

    Peace:peaceful:
     
  8. Fnix

    Fnix Active Member

    Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

    We had about 30 people who got written up including me for not knowing the stuff. I did a RTS.
     
  9. Storm723

    Storm723 Preload Supervisor

    Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

    Our center was the only one in the northeast region to pass the KETER audit in six years. Don't ask me how we did it...
    It was funny trying to regurgitate over and over and over....

    1) get close to the box...no no I mean.... package

    2) stand with your feet apart....no I mean ....shoulder width apart


    blah blah blah....
    do over...do over...do over.....lol!
     
  10. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

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  11. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

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    What my friend is trying to say is if the company took you out of service they could then have you inside the building unloading trailers at what pay rate their BS.

    And contrary to my esteemed colleagues advice you do have to do more then show up for work. Pretty weak Bs.
     
  12. feeder53

    feeder53 ADKtrails

    Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

    I believe some people try the same old action expecting a different outcome.......It very seldom changes.
     
  13. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

    Thats actually a good idea!

    When they first told us that my first thoughts were exactly what you all have said on here. I just wanted to confirm that with some of the great minds we have here on the browncafe. It seemed pretty ridiculous, and if they really did that they would just be giving a driver a paid day off. Unless they do was BS suggested they might do and make them work in the building, but I always thought the term "taken out of service" meant you were sent home.
     
  14. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

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  15. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

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  16. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

    Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

    The Keter audit isn't a big deal. Its just an audit. Someone with nothing better to do decided that we all needed to recite acronyms like trained parakeets. Some people will memorize them verbatim. Others wont. Life will go on.
     
  17. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

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    The only people who are butting their heads against a wall...are the management people who try to intimidate their employees into memorizing this drivel by threatening to suspend them. It isnt gonna happen.
     
  18. hseofpayne

    hseofpayne Guest

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  19. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

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    The only "sacrificial lamb" in all of this will be the manager who is stupid enough to actually take someone out of service for not memorizing a commentary. He's going to wind up owing that employee back pay, and Corporate will not be happy.
     
  20. mittam

    mittam Member

    Re: Taken out of service for not knowing saftey dribble?

    We had the same deal. I had 8 hr request got in at 5.30 already over 8 hrs and center manager told me I had to take another 10 mins to do the audit. I reminded him of my 8 hr request and he said I had to work as directed. I clocked out anyway and he asked what I was doing. Soooo I said hey if I had 15 more stops I would have brought em back due to granted 8 hr request. Then followed that up with if you have a problem see steward when he gets in. He about blew a gasket told me he was putting me back on clock and I WOULD stay for the audit. So I told auditor I had an 8 hour request as provided to us by contract. I said I know you have no fn clue what that is but you are in violation of my contractual rights. When I file charges on this I willl need to ad your name. So do you mind writing it down for me? Furthermore other than that I do know all the answers you won't get the ones you want. Now are we done here if so goodbye. I turned around and walked away. On way out center manager was outside having a smoke break, he looked at me and said that was quick, did you talk to the auditor? So I told him yes I did. Well I did talk to auditor might not have been what he wanted!