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<blockquote data-quote="Bagels" data-source="post: 1188687" data-attributes="member: 43436"><p>As I mentioned above, if you were a psychologist you would advise a suicidal patent upset her needs weren't being met to get new needs. It's an equivalent argument, and one that fails. Moving (to one of the few areas with a "booming" job market) isn't practical for everybody. Riding a bicycle to/from work isn't practical for everybody. Etc.</p><p></p><p>I've volunteered for many years at a local charity and assisted hundreds in creating financial plans. Many work FT for companies such as Walmart, Safeway, Kohl's, as medical assistants, etc. Why are so many in debt? Because their wages are so low. Most of these people live in modest, $500/month one-bedroom apartments in seedy areas, do not have cable TV, internet, etc. Most were brought down by huge medical bills, as they either did not have insurance or had poor insurance with high costs. Many are saddled with high debt from things like cars (there's no public transportation in area, and you'll need a car to get to work) that were purchased from dealers who sold them at 30% (!) interest rates. The list goes on. Good luck getting Dave Ramsey to help them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>LOL! Yes, you are a fool. This is what we call a logical fallacy. If companies have been doing it for over 30 years, one act simply doesn't suddenly characterize why it's being done now. A small, 13-store retail chain north of me struck an agreement in 2007 -- well before the 2008 election took place -- with their union that fenced incumbent PT health care for five years, then eliminated it after that. FOX News and other conservative outlets repeatedly mention this company as doing this because of ObamaCare (it was actually done as a compromise to keep a FT distribution center open). In fact, a local paper serving the highly conservative area polled its residents and something like 80-something percent blamed it on ObamaCare, even though it was long planned. Say what you want about the "liberal media", but the conservative media will take ANY crumbs on this issue it can get, even if it knows it's false.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bagels, post: 1188687, member: 43436"] As I mentioned above, if you were a psychologist you would advise a suicidal patent upset her needs weren't being met to get new needs. It's an equivalent argument, and one that fails. Moving (to one of the few areas with a "booming" job market) isn't practical for everybody. Riding a bicycle to/from work isn't practical for everybody. Etc. I've volunteered for many years at a local charity and assisted hundreds in creating financial plans. Many work FT for companies such as Walmart, Safeway, Kohl's, as medical assistants, etc. Why are so many in debt? Because their wages are so low. Most of these people live in modest, $500/month one-bedroom apartments in seedy areas, do not have cable TV, internet, etc. Most were brought down by huge medical bills, as they either did not have insurance or had poor insurance with high costs. Many are saddled with high debt from things like cars (there's no public transportation in area, and you'll need a car to get to work) that were purchased from dealers who sold them at 30% (!) interest rates. The list goes on. Good luck getting Dave Ramsey to help them. LOL! Yes, you are a fool. This is what we call a logical fallacy. If companies have been doing it for over 30 years, one act simply doesn't suddenly characterize why it's being done now. A small, 13-store retail chain north of me struck an agreement in 2007 -- well before the 2008 election took place -- with their union that fenced incumbent PT health care for five years, then eliminated it after that. FOX News and other conservative outlets repeatedly mention this company as doing this because of ObamaCare (it was actually done as a compromise to keep a FT distribution center open). In fact, a local paper serving the highly conservative area polled its residents and something like 80-something percent blamed it on ObamaCare, even though it was long planned. Say what you want about the "liberal media", but the conservative media will take ANY crumbs on this issue it can get, even if it knows it's false. [/QUOTE]
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