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TDU & TOS - VS - 396 BA & the H STEWARDS
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<blockquote data-quote="&#039;Lord Brown&#039;s bidding&#039;" data-source="post: 1150986" data-attributes="member: 32753"><p>TOS, in my opinion that is backwards: open/shut words like <em>defraud</em> help us, not hurt us. In your scenario, for instance, there is nothing in of itself about washing windows,to indicate fraud, even the time you did it. Management could ask you to,wash them another time, and if you didn't at most they can get you for is failure to follow instructions, but since there is a safety issue here only the biggest bullies of managers would pursue this....and he would and should be struck down at local, and the driver should be awarded back pay.</p><p></p><p>OTOH, one can wonder if the <em>time</em> chosen to clean was accurately given, I.e. honest. Are you blowing time with some chick while half-heartedly wiping a small spot on the mirror,? Is this a fairly regular occurence? Do you <em>ever</em> clean at any other time, like when that lady isn't around? You may be dishonest in your representation of why you are cleaming your windows, and if so, now they can get you for fraud. However, there has to be dishonesty to have fraud, but not all forms of dishonesty are fraud; making it specific for what is cardinal makes it tougher to lose one's job for doing something, while inadvisable, doesn't necessarily stem from a desire to seek personal gain-like chatting with a cute girl, maybe "gain" those digits, or more-while damaging the company-taking their time to do so, rather than using that time in the service of their interests. But even that requires some proof, otherwise it is too vague.</p><p></p><p>As for why the union agreed to certain language, or not forestall whatever efforts the company may pursue in the future to make it easier to terminate us, I haven't given much thought to; I'd rather focus on what we have, but that's me. There is a place for the more "big-picture" minded people, such as yourself. I just don't believe this particular issue is something to worry about, provided the local representation for the aggrieved knows language clearly; if they don't the higher levels should be prepared for this. It will be a poor situation for the one out of work, though. </p><p></p><p>In the event in your looking ahead you spot "crap" that you call my attention to, I will vote that down in a second. The best contract in the world is no good if they can easily stop me from sharing in the benefits.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="'Lord Brown's bidding', post: 1150986, member: 32753"] TOS, in my opinion that is backwards: open/shut words like [I]defraud[/I] help us, not hurt us. In your scenario, for instance, there is nothing in of itself about washing windows,to indicate fraud, even the time you did it. Management could ask you to,wash them another time, and if you didn't at most they can get you for is failure to follow instructions, but since there is a safety issue here only the biggest bullies of managers would pursue this....and he would and should be struck down at local, and the driver should be awarded back pay. OTOH, one can wonder if the [I]time[/I] chosen to clean was accurately given, I.e. honest. Are you blowing time with some chick while half-heartedly wiping a small spot on the mirror,? Is this a fairly regular occurence? Do you [I]ever[/I] clean at any other time, like when that lady isn't around? You may be dishonest in your representation of why you are cleaming your windows, and if so, now they can get you for fraud. However, there has to be dishonesty to have fraud, but not all forms of dishonesty are fraud; making it specific for what is cardinal makes it tougher to lose one's job for doing something, while inadvisable, doesn't necessarily stem from a desire to seek personal gain-like chatting with a cute girl, maybe "gain" those digits, or more-while damaging the company-taking their time to do so, rather than using that time in the service of their interests. But even that requires some proof, otherwise it is too vague. As for why the union agreed to certain language, or not forestall whatever efforts the company may pursue in the future to make it easier to terminate us, I haven't given much thought to; I'd rather focus on what we have, but that's me. There is a place for the more "big-picture" minded people, such as yourself. I just don't believe this particular issue is something to worry about, provided the local representation for the aggrieved knows language clearly; if they don't the higher levels should be prepared for this. It will be a poor situation for the one out of work, though. In the event in your looking ahead you spot "crap" that you call my attention to, I will vote that down in a second. The best contract in the world is no good if they can easily stop me from sharing in the benefits. [/QUOTE]
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