Ted Kennedy

Babagounj

Strength through joy
Due to the T.S. Danny arrival on sat. barry soetoro will be arriving in Boston Friday nite and staying over. Since he will be visiting the wake, do you think he might stop by and see his dear auntie ( the illegal resident ) who happens to live less than a mile away? His motorcade will probably be passing right by her door, in the housing project.
 

tieguy

Banned
God saw that he was getting tired
And a cure was not to be.
So he put his arms around him
And whispered, “Come with me”.
With tear filled eyes we watched him suffer
And fade away
Although we loved him deeply
We could not make him stay.
A golden heart stopped beating,
Hard working hands put to rest.
God broke our hearts to prove to us
He only takes the best.

time out for a puke break.
 

tieguy

Banned
I can't help it . Everytime I stop to think about Ted Kennedy I think how if it had been Diesel who had driven Mary Jo off the bridge that Diesel would have done some hard time.

some people say he was a friend and thats fine. I see someone who lived a life of privledge and a life of excesses. Many of those excesses at the taxpayer expense.

His funeral events are the last straw. you would think he was a head of state. Massachusetts has been hit harder then most states economically yet they kept voting teddy in and treat him like a king at death.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
"Sober, weak analogy.....I did realize Ted as a serial killer.
Anyway,What was an intoxicated Kennedy's intent when he got behind the wheel ?...... Premeditated murder ?"

His first thoughts were "drunk broad, easy lay". But that was just the gentleman in him speaking.
:sick:
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
I wonder if his family will try to pull the same trick on paying estate taxes as they did for his mother ,Rose ?
They claimed that Florida was her chief residence, but she never went there during her last 12 years of living. Saving the clan and cheating the Commonwealth of Massachusetts out of 4,300,000 dollars.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
I wonder if his family will try to pull the same trick on paying estate taxes as they did for his mother ,Rose ?
They claimed that Florida was her chief residence, but she never went there during her last 12 years of living. Saving the clan and cheating the Commonwealth of Massachusetts out of 4,300,000 dollars.
I would not call it cheating (more like resisting extortion) but it does tell you the Kennedy's are hypocrites.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
Ted Kennedy's Soviet Gambit

Peter Robinson, 08.28.09, 12:01 AM EDT Considering the late senator's complete record requires digging into the USSR's archives.

Picking his way through the Soviet archives that Boris Yeltsin had just thrown open, in 1991 Tim Sebastian, a reporter for the London Times, came across an arresting memorandum. Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.
"On 9-10 May of this year," the May 14 memorandum explained, "Sen. Edward Kennedy's close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow." (Tunney was Kennedy's law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) "The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov."

Kennedy's message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. "The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations," the memorandum stated. "These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign."
Kennedy made Andropov a couple of specific offers.
First he offered to visit Moscow. "The main purpose of the meeting, according to the senator, would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA." Kennedy would help the Soviets deal with Reagan by telling them how to brush up their propaganda.
Then he offered to make it possible for Andropov to sit down for a few interviews on American television. "A direct appeal ... to the American people will, without a doubt, attract a great deal of attention and interest in the country. ... If the proposal is recognized as worthy, then Kennedy and his friends will bring about suitable steps to have representatives of the largest television companies in the USA contact Y.V. Andropov for an invitation to Moscow for the interviews. ... The senator underlined the importance that this initiative should be seen as coming from the American side.

Kennedy would make certain the networks gave Andropov air time--and that they rigged the arrangement to look like honest journalism.
Kennedy's motives? "Like other rational people," the memorandum explained, "[Kennedy] is very troubled by the current state of Soviet-American relations." But that high-minded concern represented only one of Kennedy's motives.
"Tunney remarked that the senator wants to run for president in 1988," the memorandum continued. "Kennedy does not discount that during the 1984 campaign, the Democratic Party may officially turn to him to lead the fight against the Republicans and elect their candidate president."
Kennedy proved eager to deal with Andropov--the leader of the Soviet Union, a former director of the KGB and a principal mover in both the crushing of the 1956 Hungarian Revolution and the suppression of the 1968 Prague Spring--at least in part to advance his own political prospects.
In 1992, Tim Sebastian published a story about the memorandum in the London Times. Here in the U.S., Sebastian's story received no attention. In his 2006 book, The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism, historian Paul Kengor reprinted the memorandum in full. "The media," Kengor says, "ignored the revelation."
"The document," Kengor continues, "has stood the test of time. I scrutinized it more carefully than anything I've ever dealt with as a scholar. I showed the document to numerous authorities who deal with Soviet archival material. No one has debunked the memorandum or shown it to be a forgery. Kennedy's office did not deny it."
Why bring all this up now? No evidence exists that Andropov ever acted on the memorandum--within eight months, the Soviet leader would be dead--and now that Kennedy himself has died even many of the former senator's opponents find themselves grieving. Yet precisely because Kennedy represented such a commanding figure--perhaps the most compelling liberal of our day--we need to consider his record in full.
Doing so, it turns out, requires pondering a document in the archives of the politburo.
When President Reagan chose to confront the Soviet Union, calling it the evil empire that it was, Sen. Edward Kennedy chose to offer aid and comfort to General Secretary Andropov. On the Cold War, the greatest issue of his lifetime, Kennedy got it wrong.
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
But he did have a great sense of humor so there you go!

(Interview with Ed Klein, former foreign editor of Newsweek and author of a new book about Ted)

Hey Barry, did you hear the latest ringer about Mary Jo?

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moreluck

golden ticket member
All the coverage has been positive like Michael Jackson's. They'll probably say the angels are crying thus producing all that rain in Boston......

How much longer to regular Saturday programming??????????????/:dissapointed:
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
How much longer to regular Saturday programming??????????????/:dissapointed:

More,

Great opportunity to read a book. Google books has tons of books, magazines, articles and if you have a wireless laptop (or here's that excuse to get one) you can go outside and get some Vitamin D (help ward off that flu threat) and work on the tan of that sexy girly body of yours!

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:bigsmile2:

Be sweet!
 

ajblakejr

Age quod agis
Tooner, Jones,

Thanks for the kind words. My dad will be 80 this December and he refuses to slow down. He still works full time even after having a battle with cancer 5 years ago. He does have a mass in his brain that will at some point turn bad that's a ticking timebomb but doctor's believe he won't live long enough so it was one of those bad news but here's the good news kind of thing.

The other reason I hoped Kennedy would win his battle was because my 17 year old daughter who turns 18 this Saturday (damn time flies) is a musician who works for Jeff Carlisis as a guitar instructor for his Camp Jam Company. Jeff, Peter Stroud and Liberty Devitto introduced her to Musicians on Call which is an incredible organization and you'd be surprised to know how many "Rock Stars" love doing this. The kids out there with severe cases of cancer including brain cancer would just break your heart and make you cry but at the same time I hit my knees and say "thank you God"!

There's a lot of Ted Kennedy not to like, I understand that but I always said a prayer when I heard his name in the hopes of what a victory for him might mean for so many others. And to put another face on this and to also show what a sweetheart Derek St. Holmes is, check out the vid. below of Derek playing with a young guitar student of my daughter's. The boy's name is Dylan, he's 12 and he just lost his dad to cancer about a month ago. If you don't know who Derek is, the song and voice should give it away as he worked with Ted Nugent.

YouTube - Derek St Holmes Stranglehold at Sam Ash Smyrna

If any of you are Zack Wylde fans, keep him in prayer as he is in the hospital with blood clots in the lungs. We got word from Toshi Iseda and it's not good.


mac

This post hit home. Thank you for sharing.

It sounds as if resilience is a family trait passed from generation to generation. What is that special quality or inner resource that so many people faced with life alerting diagnoses (dx's) that enables them to flourish in spite of the dx.

The inspiring words of Helen Keller:

Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it.

Myself, I wanted and waited for magic to occur in the brain of the Senator. I had prayed that the vast resources of money and medical minds available to him would push the pioneers ahead in researching this vast undiscovered land called the brain.

I soon came to the understanding that his brain was not the right frontier for these pioneers to come upon new treatments due to the advanced years and the damage the owner of the body thrust upon the brain.

The brain. Damn machine with electrical connections that rule the body with an iron fist. We are just starting to understand it. Science is showing that these electrical paths can be diverted like traffic on the interstate with repeating and training.

Bloodless surgery with gamma and cyber knifes to remove unwelcome masses invading the neighborhood. Pharmaceuticals developed to hopefully reduce the demylienation of neurological pathways. So many things can go wrong inside the brain and not many cures and not many answers.

And a simple fall can cause a TBI (traumatic brain injury) to the unsuspecting and take you out of this world.

So in this man, Kennedy, I had hope.
I had hoped that he could make a difference in the treatment of things that go bad in the brain.
So many things...Tumors, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, Multiple Sclerosis, Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS)... the list goes on.

And I fear, with a heavy heart and tears in my eyes, that his vision of healthcare in the United States will stall the advancement of the pioneer spirit inside the brain...

Stalling the use of the expensive cyber and gamma knife.

Questioning the expense of MS treatments like Tysarbi, which is now made between patient and doctor with an uncertain outcome.

The BRAIN. Damn it.
 

diesel96

Well-Known Member
I just want to share these thoughts. It's disappointing in the responses of some in regards to the death of Senator Kennedy.
Many times we see everyone offer prayers up and sympathy for people they don't even know, at that time of need. I usually never reply but prefer to personally say the prayer rather than type it.

If you must judge this man, then judge him on the whole of his works and not just one day. Forgive him his sins, excuse his faults, recognize the good he did with his opportunities of redemption resulting from the Chappaqudick accident, and lets not ignore the memory of a considerate and dedicated man who spent nearly half a century serving his country. He was a good citizen, a good American.



The intent of this thread was to tar the persona of Ted Kennedy, and absolutely no respect was going to be given to the achievements concerning this man, and his life's work to public service unless others spoke up. Couldn't even wait for the dirt to be thrown on his casket. If no compassion and restraint is possible for just a few days after his death, well then those need to do some self evaluation and maybe consider setting down that bible since some can't follow the scriptures.
Again, my thoughts are not only about respecting the Senator, but it's about respecting members of this board. So there you go. Blast away today.
 

ajblakejr

Age quod agis
If you must judge this man, then judge him on the whole of his works and not just one day. Forgive him his sins, excuse his faults, recognize the good he did with his opportunities of redemption resulting from the Chappaqudick accident, and lets not ignore the memory of a considerate and dedicated man who spent nearly half a century serving his country. He was a good citizen, a good American.

I am learning about the man.

I never knew much about him.
I get the feeling that I would have liked him as a man.
I think he did okay as a dad.
He seems to have embraced his children, all his children...of his lost brothers.
I never thought about how he made the choice not to be his father, Joe.

Resilience.

I disliked his politics.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
Getting the story straight before Washington D.C. canonizes him!!.........

The Last of The Kennedy Dynasty

As soon as his cancer was detected, I noticed the immediate attempt at the"canonization" of old Teddy Kennedy by the mainstream media. They are saying
what a "great American" he is. I say, let's get a couple things clear & nottwist the facts to change the real history.

1. He was caught cheating at Harvard when he attended it. He was expelled
twice, once for cheating on a test, and once for paying a classmate to cheatfor him.

2. While expelled, Kennedy enlisted in the Army, but mistakenly signed up for four years instead of two. Oops! The man can't count to four! His
father, Joseph P. Kennedy, former U.S. Ambassador to England (a step up from bootlegging liquor into the US from Canada during prohibition), pulled the
necessary strings to have his enlistment shortened to two years, and to ensure that he served in Europe, not Korea , where a war was raging. No preferential
treatment for him! (like he charged that President Bush received).

3. Kennedy was assigned to Paris , never advanced beyond the rank of Private, and returned to Harvard upon being discharged. Imagine a person of
his "education" NEVER advancing past the rank of Private!

4. While attending law school at the University of Virginia , he was citedfor reckless driving four times, including once when he was clocked driving 90
miles per hour in a residential neighborhood with his headlights off after dark. Yet his Virginia driver's license was never revoked. Coincidentally,he passed the bar exam in 1959. Amazing!

5. In 1964, he was seriously injured in a plane crash, and hospitalized for several months. Test results done by the hospital at the time he was admitted
had shown he was legally intoxicated. The results of those tests remained a "state secret" until in the 1980's when the report was unsealed. Didn't hear
about that from the unbiased media, did we?

6. On July 19, 1969, Kennedy attended a party on Chappaquiddick Island in Massachusetts . At about 11:00 PM, he borrowed his chauffeur's keys to his
Oldsmobile limousine, and offered to give a ride home to Mary Jo Kopechne, a campaign worker. Leaving the island via an unlit bridge with no guard rail,
Kennedy steered the car off the bridge, flipped, and into Poucha Pond.

7. He swam to shore and walked back to the party, passing several houses and a fire station. Two friends then returned with him to the scene of the
accident. According to their later testimony, they told him what he already knew - that he was required by law to immediately report the accident to the
authorities. Instead Kennedy made his way to his hotel, called his lawyer, and went to sleep. Kennedy called the police the next morning and by then the
wreck had already been discovered. Before dying, Kopechne had scratched at the upholstered floor above her head in the upside-down car.
The Kennedy family began "calling in favors", ensuring that any inquiry would be contained. Her corpse was whisked out-of-state to her family, before an
autopsy could be conducted. Further details are uncertain, but after the accident Kennedy says he repeatedly dove under the water trying to rescue
Kopechne and he didn't call police because he was in a state of shock. It is widely assumed Kennedy was drunk, and he held off calling police in hopes that
his family could fix the problem overnight. Since the accident, Kennedy's "political enemies" have referred to him as the distinguished Senator from Chappaquiddick. He pled guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, and was given a SUSPENDED SENTENCE OF TWO MONTHS. Kopechne's family received a small payout from the Kennedy's insurance policy, and never sued. There was later an effort to have her body exhumed and autopsied, but her family successfully fought against this in court, and Kennedy's family paid their
attorney's bills... a "token of friendship"?


8. Kennedy has held his Senate seat for more than forty years, but considering his longevity, his accomplishments seem scant. He authored or
argued for legislation that ensured a variety of civil rights, increased the minimum wage in 1981, made access to health care easier for the indigent, and
funded Meals on Wheels for fixed-income seniors and is widely held as the "standard-bearer for liberalism". In his very first Senate roll, he was the floor manager for the bill that turned U.S. immigration policy upside down and
opened the floodgate for immigrants from third world countries.

9. Since that time, he has been the prime instigator and author of every expansion of an increase in immigration, up to and including the latest attempt to grant amnesty to illegal aliens. Not to mention the pious grilling
he gave the last two Supreme Court nominees, as if he was the standard bearer for the nation in matters of "what's right". What a pompous jerk!

10. He is known around Washington as a public drunk, loud, boisterous and very disrespectful to ladies. JERK is a better description than "great
American". "A blonde in every pond" is his motto.



Let's not allow the spin doctors make this jerk a hero -- how quickly the
American public forgets what his real legacy is. Let's keep this going for
truth, justice and the American way!
Unfortunately....the B.S. keeps on coming. It's quite stomach turning all the bum kissing that has been going on; radio ,tv, and the press. He wasn't our king, just a drunk that kept his only one job for 47 yrs.
 
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