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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 808053" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>Sober, </p><p> </p><p>what you are saying is exactly what the problem is. My BA told me this, my President told me that, my secretary treasurer told me this...</p><p> </p><p>Recent panel hearings have NO IMPACT on the daily operation of the business. There has been NO panel hearings in the WEST in 2010, 2009 or last month that established a "PRECEDENT" for the use of telematics or language contained in the collective bargaining agreement.</p><p> </p><p>This is why I say, unless you can find it in the book, it doesnt exist.</p><p> </p><p>Each case that goes to panels in the west is separate from all others unless the company stipulates to a "PRECEDENT" and this my friend, despite all the people in your local who told you so, are incorrect.</p><p> </p><p>Panel hearings, or Deadlock committees which they are more commonly referred to, are not places where language is changed, modified or understandings clarified.</p><p> </p><p>They are small meetings where each side has less than 5 minutes to present a side and a decision made by the panel of 6 (3 union and 3 company) more often than not, its a tie and the matter goes outside where it is negotiated between the labor rep for the company and an executive officer of the union (not the BA).</p><p> </p><p>Here is where most cases are settled...</p><p> </p><p>I know you would not be able to present any evidence to the contrary to what I posted, and I knew you would respond with the "somebody told me"....</p><p> </p><p>This is why I say NOT to give the advice you are giving. You will put someone in a chokehold if they believe what you are saying to them and they risk their careers for tough talk from a BA or Local President.</p><p> </p><p>Many of us have been at the tables. Many of us know how deals are made and contracts formed.</p><p> </p><p>Like I said before, dont accept tough talk as LANGUAGE, dont accept tough talk as a crutch, dont believe that someone who tells you that despite what is written it has a different meaning than what it was intended.</p><p> </p><p>All the drivers in my region are learning that they have to do the job "by the book", forget about "past practice", lose the "learned behaviors" and you will be worry free on the road.</p><p> </p><p>If you take the approach that someone told you that you will be protected if you do the job wrong, then you are a candidate for termination.</p><p> </p><p>Lets leave this conversation with this; "DO THE JOB RIGHT".</p><p> </p><p>Peace</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 808053, member: 17969"] Sober, what you are saying is exactly what the problem is. My BA told me this, my President told me that, my secretary treasurer told me this... Recent panel hearings have NO IMPACT on the daily operation of the business. There has been NO panel hearings in the WEST in 2010, 2009 or last month that established a "PRECEDENT" for the use of telematics or language contained in the collective bargaining agreement. This is why I say, unless you can find it in the book, it doesnt exist. Each case that goes to panels in the west is separate from all others unless the company stipulates to a "PRECEDENT" and this my friend, despite all the people in your local who told you so, are incorrect. Panel hearings, or Deadlock committees which they are more commonly referred to, are not places where language is changed, modified or understandings clarified. They are small meetings where each side has less than 5 minutes to present a side and a decision made by the panel of 6 (3 union and 3 company) more often than not, its a tie and the matter goes outside where it is negotiated between the labor rep for the company and an executive officer of the union (not the BA). Here is where most cases are settled... I know you would not be able to present any evidence to the contrary to what I posted, and I knew you would respond with the "somebody told me".... This is why I say NOT to give the advice you are giving. You will put someone in a chokehold if they believe what you are saying to them and they risk their careers for tough talk from a BA or Local President. Many of us have been at the tables. Many of us know how deals are made and contracts formed. Like I said before, dont accept tough talk as LANGUAGE, dont accept tough talk as a crutch, dont believe that someone who tells you that despite what is written it has a different meaning than what it was intended. All the drivers in my region are learning that they have to do the job "by the book", forget about "past practice", lose the "learned behaviors" and you will be worry free on the road. If you take the approach that someone told you that you will be protected if you do the job wrong, then you are a candidate for termination. Lets leave this conversation with this; "DO THE JOB RIGHT". Peace [/QUOTE]
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