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<blockquote data-quote="dannyboy" data-source="post: 310149" data-attributes="member: 484"><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">L</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I will make this my last post on your situation, unless you need more information.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">I had the pleasure of making the acquaintance of an arbitrator on a flight to Philly last year. She had several times been involved with conflicts between UPS/Teamsters. She gave me her card then, and I called her today to get an insight as to what went on behind closed doors in your case. </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">After recapping your story, sharing the information gathered, and reading some of the posts you have made here, she gave me her point of view on your case. Understand, she had nothing to do with it, only giving me her impression of how the arbitrator ruled the way he did.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">In your postings, you never once indicated you shared responsibility for the accident. Not once. And I would suspect that is also a good indication you did the same throughout the hearing processes you went through. She picked up on that very quickly, and it really bothered her. Enough so, that in a case that could have gone either way, that would have made a really big difference in the ruling.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">She also mentioned that there are many arbitrators that only look at the written agreement. In your case, the national agreement says that you can be terminated when you are involved in an accident involving a fatality. Pure and simple, plain as day. They can fire you for that accident. They don’t have to, but they can. You and the union agreed to the language, so the language rules. They went out of their way to offer you a job, and you refused. That also made a big impression, and not a good one.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Others, including this one, prefer a more human approach. If there are extenuating circumstances, similar to your case, then there could be some measure of leniency. The big problem is that you never ever considered that you were just as much at fault as the cyclist, a fact that made a deep impression on her. Almost to the point that you come off very callous about the whole thing.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Yes it was tragic. Mistakes happen. Things get missed and overlooked. But we are human. Things do happen. But your attitude and inability to admit your part in this accident cost you at the hearings and with the arbitrator. </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Bottom line is that she thought you and you alone were the reason for the ruling to come down the way it did. No remorse on your part hurt you badly when it came to trying to get your job back. Even after 9 pages of posts, you still don’t get or admit it.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Maybe that is your way of dealing with it. If so, you need to get help. Actually you need to get help either way.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Wishing you the best in the future,</span></span></p><p></p><p>Daniel</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dannyboy, post: 310149, member: 484"] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]L[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I will make this my last post on your situation, unless you need more information.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]I had the pleasure of making the acquaintance of an arbitrator on a flight to Philly last year. She had several times been involved with conflicts between UPS/Teamsters. She gave me her card then, and I called her today to get an insight as to what went on behind closed doors in your case. [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]After recapping your story, sharing the information gathered, and reading some of the posts you have made here, she gave me her point of view on your case. Understand, she had nothing to do with it, only giving me her impression of how the arbitrator ruled the way he did.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]In your postings, you never once indicated you shared responsibility for the accident. Not once. And I would suspect that is also a good indication you did the same throughout the hearing processes you went through. She picked up on that very quickly, and it really bothered her. Enough so, that in a case that could have gone either way, that would have made a really big difference in the ruling.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]She also mentioned that there are many arbitrators that only look at the written agreement. In your case, the national agreement says that you can be terminated when you are involved in an accident involving a fatality. Pure and simple, plain as day. They can fire you for that accident. They don’t have to, but they can. You and the union agreed to the language, so the language rules. They went out of their way to offer you a job, and you refused. That also made a big impression, and not a good one.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Others, including this one, prefer a more human approach. If there are extenuating circumstances, similar to your case, then there could be some measure of leniency. The big problem is that you never ever considered that you were just as much at fault as the cyclist, a fact that made a deep impression on her. Almost to the point that you come off very callous about the whole thing.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Yes it was tragic. Mistakes happen. Things get missed and overlooked. But we are human. Things do happen. But your attitude and inability to admit your part in this accident cost you at the hearings and with the arbitrator. [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Bottom line is that she thought you and you alone were the reason for the ruling to come down the way it did. No remorse on your part hurt you badly when it came to trying to get your job back. Even after 9 pages of posts, you still don’t get or admit it.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Maybe that is your way of dealing with it. If so, you need to get help. Actually you need to get help either way.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Wishing you the best in the future,[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] Daniel [/QUOTE]
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