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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 1225250" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>We hear ya brother, and I think we can all agree this is not the best, but "we" are not in a position to fight and win. If the teamsters were on "our" side, then we may have a chance, but at this point, we have to look at whats being offered (TA), then ask ourselves what more can we gain by voting NO?</p><p></p><p>"OUR" first NO VOTE brought us to this point and we have seen improvements in health care over the original P.O.S. offer, for this, "WE" can claim victory, but to extend it further with a NO VOTE to nowhere would just wipe out this small victory for the workers.</p><p></p><p>The southwest did NOTHING big at all, they had to match the new C6 benefit levels even if they didnt want to for now. They added a couple of improvements to it (good call) but as Andy said himself "there are no guarantees that this will stay the same over 5 years".</p><p></p><p>We get it. Its not great. Its NOT what we wanted, its not what "we" want to settle for. But, there are no more gains to be found at this stage of the game. The southwest has already planned a contingency plan for a NO VOTE. They will simply kick the can to the national negotiating committee for ratification.</p><p></p><p>Then what do you want us to do?</p><p></p><p>We are NOT fighting the company on this issue. We are fighting our own leadership. </p><p></p><p>I recommend a YES vote NOT based on the strength of the health care improvements, but on the WEAKNESS of the position that we are in.</p><p></p><p>It sucks, I know, but we have to move on to the things that "WE" can control, like who we elect to hold office in the coming years. If you want to see real change in 5 years, then replacing those who negotiated this contract is our new goal.</p><p></p><p>If you simply vote to keep the same people in office (by local) then you can expect to lose even more 5 years down the road. Its very clear that the leadership in the southwest let us down in this contract and the last contract in 2008, and if you expect different in 2018, then you dont deserve the right to complain. </p><p></p><p>It's time to focus on what "WE" can control and change. This fight is over. We lost, again.</p><p></p><p>Thanks Teamsters.</p><p></p><p>TOS</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 1225250, member: 17969"] We hear ya brother, and I think we can all agree this is not the best, but "we" are not in a position to fight and win. If the teamsters were on "our" side, then we may have a chance, but at this point, we have to look at whats being offered (TA), then ask ourselves what more can we gain by voting NO? "OUR" first NO VOTE brought us to this point and we have seen improvements in health care over the original P.O.S. offer, for this, "WE" can claim victory, but to extend it further with a NO VOTE to nowhere would just wipe out this small victory for the workers. The southwest did NOTHING big at all, they had to match the new C6 benefit levels even if they didnt want to for now. They added a couple of improvements to it (good call) but as Andy said himself "there are no guarantees that this will stay the same over 5 years". We get it. Its not great. Its NOT what we wanted, its not what "we" want to settle for. But, there are no more gains to be found at this stage of the game. The southwest has already planned a contingency plan for a NO VOTE. They will simply kick the can to the national negotiating committee for ratification. Then what do you want us to do? We are NOT fighting the company on this issue. We are fighting our own leadership. I recommend a YES vote NOT based on the strength of the health care improvements, but on the WEAKNESS of the position that we are in. It sucks, I know, but we have to move on to the things that "WE" can control, like who we elect to hold office in the coming years. If you want to see real change in 5 years, then replacing those who negotiated this contract is our new goal. If you simply vote to keep the same people in office (by local) then you can expect to lose even more 5 years down the road. Its very clear that the leadership in the southwest let us down in this contract and the last contract in 2008, and if you expect different in 2018, then you dont deserve the right to complain. It's time to focus on what "WE" can control and change. This fight is over. We lost, again. Thanks Teamsters. TOS [/QUOTE]
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