The Big 3

brett636

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I have this crazy idea, but I'm not certain it will be recieved well by those supporting the big 3 on this bailout plan. How about they build and sell cars people actually want to buy? If I wanted to give money to Ford, GM, or Chrysler I would purchase one of their cars. I see myself purchasing a newer vehicle sometime in the next 24 months and currently none of the Big 3 have vehicles that are even in my top 10 list. This crying for money from the government certainly doesn't improve my personal opinion of them. I'm not going to say the loss of jobs wouldn't affect our economy as I live in a state with a lot of people employed by the Big 3, but it won't be the end of the world. While we do have GM plants laying off workers we have Honda who recently opened a plant in Greensburg Indiana which began production a little over a month ago and has plans on opening multiple shifts when it currently is running with one. Subaru and Toyota both have manufacturing plants here in this state and they are doing fine. BMW and Hyundia have plants in Georgia, South Carolina, and Tennesee, and they aren't asking for bailout money. The Big 3 will just have to file Chapter 11 and work things out through the courts to get the changes necessary to stay in business. They won't shutdown completely, and if they do someone will come in to take their place. While these companies have played an important role in the growth and history of this nation maybe its time for them to stay part of our history and not our future. I really don't think giving money to these companies is in our country's best future interests.
 

Channahon

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I don't generally watch CSPAN, but I'll tell you what, there was no tolerance for unanswered questions given by the CEO's of the Big 3

Big 3 carmakers beg for $25B, warn of catastrophe

By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS
,
AP
posted: 14 MINUTES AGO

WASHINGTON -Detroit's Big Three automakers pleaded with a reluctant Congress Tuesday for a $25 billion lifeline to save the once-proud titans of U.S. industry, pointedly warning of a national economic catastrophe should they collapse. Millions of layoffs would follow their demise, they said, as damaging effects rippled across an already-faltering economy.

But the new rescue plan appeared stalled on Capitol Hill, opposed by the Bush administration and Republicans in Congress who don't want to dip into the Treasury Department's $700 billion financial bailout program to come up with the $25 billion in loans.

"Our industry ... needs a bridge to span the financial chasm that has opened up before us," General Motors Corp. CEO Rick Wagoner told the Senate Banking Committee. He blamed the industry's predicament not on management failures but on the deepening global financial crisis.

And Robert Nardelli , CEO of Chrysler LLC, told the panel the bailout would be "the least costly alternative" when compared with damage from bankruptcy.

Sympathy for the industry was sparse, with bailout fatigue dominating Capitol Hill. Lawmakers bristled with pent-up criticism of the auto industry, and questioned whether a stopgap loan would really cure what ails the companies.

Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., told the leaders of GM, Chrysler and Ford Motor Co. that the industry was "seeking treatments for wounds that I believe to a large extent were self-inflicted."

Still, he said, "At a time like this, when our economic future is so tenuous, we must do all we can to ensure stability."

Sen. Mike Enzi, R-Wyo., complained that the larger financial crisis "is not the only reason why the domestic auto industry is in trouble."
He cited "inefficient production" and "costly labor agreements" that put the U.S. automakers at a disadvantage to foreign companies.

Ford CEO Alan Mulally told senators the auto industry was "a pillar of our economy. We look forward to working with you to be part of the solution" to the financial crisis.

GM's Wagoner said that despite some public perceptions that his company was not keeping pace with the times and technological changes, "we've moved aggressively in recent years to position GM for long-term success. And we were well on the road to turning our North American business around."
"What exposes us to failure now is the global financial crisis, which has severely restricted credit availability and reduced industry sales to the lowest per-capita level since World War II."
Failure of the auto industry "would be catastrophic," he said, resulting in three million jobs lost within the first year and "economic devastation (that) would far exceed the government support that our industry needs to weather the current crisis."

Chrysler's Nardelli sought to respond to critics who suggest the automakers seek Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, as have some airlines that later emerged restructured and leaner.
"We just cannot be confident that we will be able to successfully emerge from bankruptcy," Nardelli said.

Chrysler was bailed out by the federal government once before, in 1979, with $1.2 billion in loan guarantees. The company repaid the loan, plus interest, ahead of schedule.

The three said a $25 billion government infusion could get them through 2009, with Chrysler and Ford each getting about $7 billion and GM needing $10 billion to $12 billion to pull through.

Joining the Big Three CEOs, Ron Gettelfinger, president of the United Auto Workers union, said the emergency loans were important for the survival of the industry and union jobs. He said the UAW recognized that "in order for these companies to be competitive, we had to make tough calls" in labor concessions.

Congressional leaders worked behind the scenes trying to hammer out a compromise that could speed some aid to the automakers before year's end. But the outlook seemed poor.

"My sense is that nothing's going to happen this week," Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., said at the opening of the hearing.
Democratic Sen. Max Baucus of Montana said he also smelled a flameout. "I sense that nothing is going to be passed," the Finance Committee chairman said.

Earlier, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said Congress might have to return in December — rather than adjourning for the year this week, as expected — to consider an auto bailout.

"Dealing with the automobile crisis is a pressing need. We are talking about a lot of people ... and a great consequence to our economy," said Hoyer, D-Md.

The financial situation for the automakers grows more precarious by the day. Cash-strapped GM said it will delay reimbursing its dealers for rebates and other sales incentives and could run out of cash by year's end without government aid.

In the Senate, Democrats discussed but rejected the option favored by the White House and GOP lawmakers to let the auto industry use a $25 billion loan program created by Congress in September — designed to help the companies develop more fuel-efficient vehicles — to tide them over financially until President-elect Barack Obama takes office.

"There is a way to do this," said Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., the minority leader.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and other senior Democrats, who count environmental groups among their strongest supporters, have vehemently opposed that approach because it would divert federal money that was supposed to go toward the development of vehicles that use less gasoline.
"I don't think that's going very far in our caucus," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.

Instead, they want to draw the $25 billion directly from the $700 billion Wall Street bailout — bringing the government's total aid to the car companies to $50 billion.

A Senate vote on that plan, which would also extend jobless benefits, could come as early as Thursday, but it currently lacks the support to advance. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson renewed the administration's opposition on Tuesday.

Even the car companies' strongest supporters conceded Tuesday that changing the terms of the fuel-efficiency loan program might be the only way to secure funding for them with Congress set to depart for the year and the firms in tough financial shape.

"While I believe we have to have retooling going into next year, if in the short run the only way we have to be able to get some immediate help is to take a portion of that, I would very reluctantly do that — but only because I believe President-elect Obama is going to be focused on retooling and on a manufacturing strategy next year," said Sen. Debbie Stabenow, D-Mich.

The White House said the government shouldn't send any more money to the struggling auto industry on top of the already-approved loans.
"We don't think that taxpayers should be asked to throw money at a company that can't prove that it has a long-term path for success," said White House Press Secretary Dana Perino.
 

wyobill

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What's everyone's take on the auto industry? Should we bail out the Big 3 to save more jobs? Or is it wasted money like the republicans say it is? However the missouri republican senator is in favor of the bailout I will add...

Ok my take is why bail anyone out? Is the Govt. going to bail UPS out if they overspend? Are they going to bail out C.S. because the teamsters
have had their pinkies in the cookie jar? We are going to bankrupt our country bailing everyone out. If the govt wants to stimulate the economy
give every family 250k tax free and that will get everythink rolling.
You have to let Natural Selection run its course. The stupid and weak should parish. :happy2:
 

wkmac

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6 myths about the Detroit 3



BY MARK PHELAN • FREE PRESS COLUMNIST • November 17, 2008

The debate over aid to the Detroit-based automakers is awash with half-truths and misrepresentations that are endlessly repeated by everyone from members of Congress to journalists. Here are six myths about the companies and their vehicles, and the reality in each case.

Myth No. 1

Nobody buys their vehicles.
Reality
General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC sold 8.5 million vehicles in the United States last year and millions more around the world. GM outsold Toyota by about 1.2 million vehicles in the United States last year and holds a U.S. lead over Toyota of about 560,000 so far this year. Globally, GM in 2007 remained the world's largest automaker, selling 9,369,524 vehicles worldwide -- about 3,000 more than Toyota.
Ford outsold Honda by about 850,000 and Nissan by more than 1.3 million vehicles in the United States last year.
Chrysler sold more vehicles here than Nissan and Hyundai combined in 2007 and so far this year.
Myth No. 2

They build unreliable junk.
Reality
The creaky, leaky vehicles of the 1980s and '90s are long gone. Consumer Reports recently found that "Ford's reliability is now on par with good Japanese automakers." The independent J.D. Power Initial Quality Study scored Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Ford, GMC, Mercury, Pontiac and Lincoln brands' overall quality as high or higher than that of Acura, Audi, BMW, Honda, Nissan, Scion, Volkswagen and Volvo.
Power rated the Chevrolet Malibu the highest-quality midsize sedan. Both the Malibu and Ford Fusion scored better than the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry.
Myth No. 3

They build gas-guzzlers.
Reality
All of the Detroit Three build midsize sedans the Environmental Protection Agency rates at 29-33 miles per gallon on the highway. The most fuel-efficient Chevrolet Malibu gets 33 m.p.g. on the highway, 2 m.p.g. better than the best Honda Accord. The most fuel-efficient Ford Focus has the same highway fuel economy ratings as the most efficient Toyota Corolla. The most fuel-efficient Chevrolet Cobalt has the same city fuel economy and better highway fuel economy than the most efficient non-hybrid Honda Civic. A recent study by Edmunds.com found that the Chevrolet Aveo subcompact is the least expensive car to buy and operate.
Myth No. 4

They already got a $25-billion bailout.
Reality
None of that money has been lent out and may not be for more than a year. In addition, it can, by law, be used only to invest in future vehicles and technology, so it has no effect on the shortage of operating cash the companies face because of the economic slowdown that's killing them now.
Myth No. 5

GM, Ford and Chrysler are idiots for investing in pickups and SUVs.
Reality
The domestic companies' lineup has been truck-heavy, but Toyota, Nissan, Mercedes-Benz and BMW have all spent billions of dollars on pickups and SUVs because trucks are a large and historically profitable part of the auto industry. The most fuel-efficient full-size pickups from GM, Ford and Chrysler all have higher EPA fuel economy ratings than Toyota and Nissan's full-size pickups.
Myth No. 6

They don't build hybrids.
Reality
The Detroit Three got into the hybrid business late, but Ford and GM each now offers more hybrid models than Honda or Nissan, with several more due to hit the road in early 2009.

http://www.freep.com/article/20081117/COL14/811170379/1014/rss13
 

wkmac

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I'm gonna make a prediction even before Obama and the dems put on the golden ring. I look for a national healthcare plan before 2010' and this time is will be welcomed unlike the 93' Hillary fiasco.

Here's why IMO.

#1 reason? The auto makers themselves. They wanted it in 93' and even advocated for it even to my naive shock at the time. GM especially understood the high cost of healthcare and related benefits and at the time they wanted National Healthcare because it would shift that cost to taxpayers and free up enormous amounts of money that would go direct to the bottomline. I watched on CNBC at the time where they even admitted as much. I knew then that corp. America wasn't opposed to socialism at all and in facted welcomes it.

Over the years since, I've watched more and more socialism via nationalization take place with the most recent obvious being Wall Street and the banking industry so you can't say Wall Street is opposed anymore on free market principles. That old lie is out of the bag.

#2 reason? The economy is contracting and prices are dropping. As a result, layoffs are occuring and what is one major thing these laid off workers have in common? No healthcare coverage! This will be another pressure to push towards a nationalized healthcare system.

#3 reason? Economically healthy companies (at the moment) will accept it. As the contracting continues with pressures on falling prices of commodities and services, at some point the pressure will fall on wages. Companies can't continue to pay the same wage scale for workers when their products or services are being sold for less and less in an ever shrinking market. As this happens the concern will become that citizens who previously had no mortgage/debt problem will now have because the company for which they worked decreased they wage/salary in light of market deflation. Their wage to debt ratio will have shifted weight to the debt side, making the economy worse with what little spendable income left is shifted to purely debt service to stay afloat. UPSers (management/hourly alike) are not going to be immune from this either but a taxpayer healthcare plan shifted from the employer to the gov't would free up enormous sums of money to the bottomline and keep the whole chirade afloat for the time being. For those of you saying the employers would have to pay taxes for this so where's the saving? That's what we have the federal reserve and the fiat money creation for. You didn't get taxed $5 trillion dollars over the last 8 years of Bush for all their expansion that you defended, did you? :surprised:

#4 reason? Stop, this is a laissez faire, free market, capitialistic system! Our form of constitutional gov't won't allow it. Oh so sorry little one but we haven't been that for so long it's doubtful now that an American High School graduate can count that high backwards. :happy-very: We've been entrenched on various ideals of socialism for years depending on the political party in power so that dillusional thinking should be long gone for any rational person willing to study economic truths and history and then use their brain to think rather than follow the masses and let them think for you.. As for the constitution, if the democrats have walked all over it in their time, (they have) the republicans put a torch to it so that argument is by our own hand irrelevant. The gov't is now free to do as it pleases at any time it chooses and you have no say. The Wall Street bailout should have been as loud and gross to this fact as a flashing neon sign of "All You Can Eat Buffet" outside a strip club! Just gives you the willies don't it!
:happy-very:

The auto makers can't do like they did in the old days and get Washington to impose tariffs and trade restrictions because everyone is to embedded in the global economy. Those nation sovereign actions are now regulated by international law so we couldn't engage in such national interests even if we wanted too. Remember what I said about trampling over the Constitution? :happy2:

The best solution (no my idea of best) for the moment is to shift healthcare and even retirement totally to the taxpayer side of the general ledger and at least in healthcare I do believe this will happen. Also as the wage pressures hit more and more employers, all levels of gov't will see the effects of falling tax revenues and the last thing they want is that. In fact, the desire will be to inflate the economy (it will as even this Bernacke and da boyz can't hold back forever) in order to maintain that magical GDP to debt ratio so the gov't can in fact continue to borrow even more money instead of raises taxes because we all know they won't cut spending and heaven forbid neither side wants to cut the size of gov't.

The real bailout the big 3 want is to shift all health and welfare of it's employees to the taxpayer so lookout people because mark my word, here it comes!

As I close I would make a comment to AV's point about over-regulation. I happen to agree with him and in principle support many of what he suggests. However and this doesn't negate his point at all but there's a lot of regulation out there that the Big 3 support and may well have instigated in the first place as at the time it was used to keep out imports that didn't meet those regulations. In other words, the Big 3 used gov't to engage in anti-Free market practices in order to create a type of monopoly market for themselves. In many cases, the union helped as well as this was also in their own interests. This whole process has it's own term known as "regulatory capture" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture and one of the first overt examples in American history outside Alexander Hamilton's early banking interests is the ICC or Interstate Commerce Commission which was enacted in 1887' (if I remember right). This regulatory body set up for the so-called public interest was in fact a monopoly mechanism of the big railroad owners to consolidate and squeeze out the smaller, independent railroads. The idea of the ICC was to regulate flow and pricing but it killed the small railroads and left the big boys who then dictated flow and price at will.

There are those here who decry big business so to speak and speak of how the middle class is being killed off and truth is they do have some valid points. Where they get it wrong however is not realizing that the very gov't oversight they preach for leads to more of what alarms them within our economic society. Gov't regulatory powers even in this republican era has in fact grown and the truth is since FDR's New Deal, the middle class has taken it on the chin and Small Town America is being eaten up by BigTime America. Their own goodhearted, noble ideals are literally turned against them and become servant of the very sinsiter forces they seek to keep in check. Those same forces now literally trade regulatory legislation and politicains at will like some commodity to be bought and sold. They sold most of their stock holding in the republicans and now are heavily invested in democrat stock. They expect good dividends for that investment too!

As for the automakers, if the Big 3 are suffering from over regulation, I'd contend much of it was by their own hand! Intervention in any form always has unintended consequences!
:wink2:

BTW AV, you don't need a regressive tax either. Income tax was created same year as Federal Reserve (1913') to service the fiat money debt created by same. Get rid of fiat money and central banking and the need or rather unneed for an income tax would become obvious and it will go away on it's own. Fair Tax in the end won't work either because of the underlying need/relationship to debt service for fiat money central banking. This is also way the Federal Reserve needs to be audited to expose this relationship to the American people.

Also concerning "regulatory capture" check out this International Monetary Fund PDF on the subject. Read down through PDF page numbers 4 through 6 on regulatory capture and consider this in banking in light of the recently exposing economic problems.

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2006/wp0634.pdf

For you big gov't types, this IMF peice openly admits regulatory capture in banking is a problem so what does that mean elsewhere? Still wanna let the Fox guard the henhouse?

You know, I'm starting to wonder what grows first and the other follows, gov't regulation and bureacracy or "K" Street!
:surprised:

I'm thinking it's the latter.
:wink2:
 

av8torntn

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BTW AV, you don't need a regressive tax either.:wink2:


I understand we do not "need" any income tax. I am just sick of the punishment of success. I am sick of hearing about the successful paying their "fair" share. I think if the voters want to punish some with the theft of their money it should be those that are failures. Let them pay their "fair" share. Seriously if everyone had to pay their "fair" share how many election cycles would we go through before the people started to demand small government. One.

Of course the big three support many of those regulations. They amount to not much more than barriers to the entrance in the markets. This ensures they will be "to big to fail". :rolleyes2: :happy-very:


Bet that wasn't a Rush song. If it was I will gladly purchase an album to show my support.
 

diesel96

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Just my 2 cents.....All three CEO's took their own personal coperate Jets to Congressional Hill to beg for a loan. That's like showing up in a top hat and coat tails to a soup kitchen.......No soup for you...:nono2:
 

wkmac

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Just my 2 cents.....All three CEO's took their own personal coperate Jets to Congressional Hill to beg for a loan. That's like showing up in a top hat and coat tails to a soup kitchen.......No soup for you...:nono2:

Just saw that myself. Come on D, it's just to much for them to give up all the perks and face life like the rest of us little peop.... taxpayers!

:happy-very:

Or like showing up at a girl's faternity house buck naked and with the rubber already on. In their minds someone's gonna get screwed and it's not gonna be them!
 

wyobill

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Just my 2 cents.....All three CEO's took their own personal coperate Jets to Congressional Hill to beg for a loan. That's like showing up in a top hat and coat tails to a soup kitchen.......No soup for you...:nono2:
They should have driven their friend-150 and take advantage of the temporary low gas prices. I agree no soup for you :happy-very:
 

over9five

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Just my 2 cents.....All three CEO's took their own personal coperate Jets to Congressional Hill to beg for a loan. That's like showing up in a top hat and coat tails to a soup kitchen.......No soup for you...:nono2:

How can they be so stupid? Did they think no-one would catch that?

The news was reporting that this one trip in the company luxury jet costed $20,000.!!!! Then they compared it to a coach class ticket, round trip which would have been $228.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.
 

55andout?

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How can they be so stupid? Did they think no-one would catch that?

The news was reporting that this one trip in the company luxury jet costed $20,000.!!!! Then they compared it to a coach class ticket, round trip which would have been $228.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.
The private jets are just one of many examples of mismanagment. Its hard to knock fat union contracts when the executives are throwing money away. But both sides must be looked at.

I am not in favor of bailing them out. I love my American cars and will never buy a car made elsewhere. If the big 3 need a bail out I suggest we wave the sales tax on any big 3 car made in the USA. That would give the consumer an added reason to support the American made car and would also benefit the big 3.

Unfortunatly the gov would never let this happen. They would never give up the opportunity to give up hard cash when they can get it. Instead they would rather borrow the money to loan the big 3 and just add that to the national debt.

I want to close by saying this. If you are against this bail out you need to let your elected officals know. If we all speak up they will listen.If they dont, they must go.
 

stringerman85

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Yeah it was really disappointing to find that out tonight, Why do these rich ******* need private jets anyway, who will actually recognize them on a regular flight? I wouldn't, It's different if you start something yourself and become successful and make lots of money for yourself and can afford nice things like jets but crap like this though just makes me :sick:
 
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over9five

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I was against the Wall St bailout, and I would have been against a big 3 bailout.

HOWEVER, now that we've bailed out Wall St, what makes THEM more important than the big 3? We've started down this slippery slope, and I'm not sure how it will end.
Do we bail out EVERY industry that's suffering?

We shouldn't have bailed out anyone. We should have let nature take it's course, and let the chips fall where they may.

This may have put us in a big depression, but in the end, things would have fixed themselves.
 

toonertoo

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I was against the Wall St bailout, and I would have been against a big 3 bailout.

HOWEVER, now that we've bailed out Wall St, what makes THEM more important than the big 3? We've started down this slippery slope, and I'm not sure how it will end.
Do we bail out EVERY industry that's suffering?

We shouldn't have bailed out anyone. We should have let nature take it's course, and let the chips fall where they may.

This may have put us in a big depression, but in the end, things would have fixed themselves.
Exactly, and GM is asking for loans, not bailout. And the big 3 are asking for 4% of the 700Bil. What makes AIG more important than GMC,FORD CHRYSLER? I was against the bailout. Still am, but if we are going to have a debt and a legacy to pass on to our great grandchildren, let it be we saved the American Car, not just Wall Street!!
 

wkmac

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Well it seems we've found our own bi-partisanship. As I look over the posts concerning the bailout of the auto makers and the private jet thingy, it seems we've found a concensus at the BC.

Better mark this thread in the BC Hall of Fame because it doesn't happen often.

Come to think of it, a mass extiction comet strike only happens every so many millions of years and wit hthis now happening at the BC, shouldn't we be looking at the skies too?

:happy-very::happy-very::happy-very:

When they moved Bob Nardelli from Home Depot to Chrysler, I knew that wasn't a good deal.
 

scratch

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wkmac, lol at the BC Hall of Fame, you are right, this seldom happens.

Its about a 500 mile drive from Detroit to Washington, DC. If the GM CEO drove a Chevette, the Ford guy a Pinto, and the Chrysler head honcho a Dodge Omni, they could have been back to Detroit by now with an extra 25B bonus on what they wanted in the first place.

I did my part to help GM yesterday. Somebody recently stole the Chevy bowtie emblem and the little plastic piece of molding its attached to off the grill of my son's 2004 Cavalier. I couldn't find one in a junkyard. $80 for the unpainted molding and $28 for the plastic bowtie emblem. I feel violated every time I walk into a dealer's parts department!
 

Channahon

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How can they be so stupid? Did they think no-one would catch that?

The news was reporting that this one trip in the company luxury jet costed $20,000.!!!! Then they compared it to a coach class ticket, round trip which would have been $228.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Yeah, quite the statement to make, when begging for money. One of the CEO's said it was for safety issues to fly their own corporate jet.

Talk about an ego, like they couldn't have flown a commercial jet, was someone looking to take them out?
Are their corporate jets, safer than a major airlines plane?

Wonder how the UAW got to Washington? Did they fly commercial or hitch a ride on a corporate jet as well?

I think something will be done to help the industry, but the CEO's need to squirm a little bit, before Congess will vote.

One question asked of a CEO was why would an employee get 95% of their pay, when a plant is idle, is the terminology used, and how long does that employee get paid when sitting at home doing nothing. The GM CEO had no idea how long, and stated it was a contractual agreement. You would think one would have anticipated that question, a about 3 billion was needed to satisfy that commitment.
 

scratch

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One question asked of a CEO was why would an employee get 95% of their pay, when a plant is idle, is the terminology used, and how long does that employee get paid when sitting at home doing nothing. The GM CEO had no idea how long, and stated it was a contractual agreement. You would think one would have anticipated that question, a about 3 billion was needed to satisfy that commitment.

My brother works for a GM plant in Shreveport, La. At contract time, the UAW will target the plants making the most profitable cars at the time. The employees used to plan vacations when contracts ran out, it was extra time off with most of their pay.

The mood has changed though now. The UAW gave givebacks at the last contract, and I think it is just a matter of time when the IBT will have to do the same. My brother is sort of like our plant engineers. He is there to fix the assembly line in case it breaks down. He used to work 80 hours a week. First 40 straight time, second 40 at double time, and triple time on holidays or if he had to come in and watch an outside contractor come do work. He is down to 40 hours now, and worried he will get bumped out of his job and have to go to the line if his plant stays open. And he has 24 years seniority.
 
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wkmac

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wkmac, lol at the BC Hall of Fame, you are right, this seldom happens.

Its about a 500 mile drive from Detroit to Washington, DC. If the GM CEO drove a Chevette, the Ford guy a Pinto, and the Chrysler head honcho a Dodge Omni, they could have been back to Detroit by now with an extra 25B bonus on what they wanted in the first place.

I did my part to help GM yesterday. Somebody recently stole the Chevy bowtie emblem and the little plastic piece of molding its attached to off the grill of my son's 2004 Cavalier. I couldn't find one in a junkyard. $80 for the unpainted molding and $28 for the plastic bowtie emblem. I feel violated every time I walk into a dealer's parts department!

Bet you could have found it on Ebay for cheaper than that! On a humorous note, my wife asked the other day about what we might do during vacation (this was before she got the idea on the cabinet addition, her idea, my work:wink2:) anywho, as she asked we were riding by a local car dealership and it appeared all the salespeople were just standing out in the lot talking with one another with nothing else to do. So of course, my totally sick sense of humor kicks in and I told her for fun we're gonna come back and go to that lot and pretend like we are there to buy a new car. "What for?" my wife exclaimed and I told her I just love getting in the water and teasing the sharks!

:happy-very:

It's a sick friend##king world ain't it!
:wink2:

My wife's response?

"OH GOD! :rolleyes2: I Give UP!"

:rofl:
 
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