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<blockquote data-quote="Ricochet1a" data-source="post: 863751" data-attributes="member: 22880"><p><span style="color: #000000">Tom Hagen: Your father wouldn’t want to hear this, Sonny. This is business not personal.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Sonny: They shoot my father and its business, my ass!</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Tom Hagen: Even shooting your father was business, not personal, Sonny!</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Godfather ‘72</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">In hard ball business or politics, each party carries an agenda which it wants to advance. When two parties can work together and advance their individual agendas at a savings compared to if they had to go it alone, a deal is struck (business conducted) and the parties work together. </span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">In the late 90’s the Teamsters were attempting to get Express unionized – business for them. When the writing on the wall told them that unionization wasn’t going to happen (RLA maintained by Express), the Teamsters did the only thing they logically could do and walked away. There was no written contract between the Teamsters and the wage employees of Express (they were working towards that) and with the change in the “ground conditions”, a written contract was never a realistic achievable option. </span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">The Teamsters did make all sorts of verbal assurances, but anyone with knowledge about how business is conducted knew those were statements of support, not contractual assurances. There is another poster in this forum who has given first-hand accounts of verbal promises being made and ignored when convenient for that party. Anything, anyone states outside a signed, written contract can be assumed to be puffery, and should be treated as such. </span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Even in Washington, the opposing sides conduct “business”. They loathe each other most assuredly, but when it comes down to it, they know they eventually have to put aside their personal differences and conduct business. Being able to conduct business with someone that you don’t trust or maybe even detest is a sign of a shrewd individual. </span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">While the Teamsters didn’t “shoot” the wage employees of Express, they did walk out of the “meeting” when they knew they couldn’t get what they were after. In the end, like all unions, the Teamsters have their own business to conduct and know a bad deal when they see it. When Fred secured his RLA status for Express, the ground conditions changed and the Teamsters really had no choice but to walk away from a lost cause. If the conditions were different, the wage employees of Express would’ve been able to certify union representation and each side would’ve ended up conducting “business” with each other – IBT negotiating a contract for the wage employees of Express. </span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">The employees of Express can’t take what happened in the late ‘90s personally. An attempt was made to conduct business; one side knew it couldn’t secure what it needed, so it pulled out before expending any further effort in a futile attempt. In hard ball business and politics, sometimes you realize you’re going to lose, so it is best to throw in your cards and wait until you are holding a better hand before pushing to win. </span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">I like to think I operated like the character of Tom Hagen did in my time at Express – level headed, pragmatic and not taking things personally. There are those who do appear to take things personally and let this fact alter their judgment as to future possibilities. If the wage employees of Express are to somehow keep from getting gunned down by Fred, they are going to have to think in terms of business with the Teamsters and not take things personally. Many – MANY of the wage employees of Express have no love for the Teamsters on a PERSONAL level. This needs to be put aside and business conducted. Both the employees of Express and the Teamsters have something to gain from working together. You can conduct business with someone, even if you don’t really like them. In the end, as long as your goals are advanced, that is what counts. People shouldn’t get too picky when playing hardball. </span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Just because you work with someone today to achieve a goal, doesn’t mean there is a never ending alliance. The employees of Express have far more to gain by a deal with the Teamsters right now, than by waiting for Fred to take pot shots at them. Who says that in the future, that when conditions change (assuming a unionized Express workforce organized by the IBT in the future), that the employees of Express can’t look for another union to make a deal with and conduct business? Many unions have this happen, they are organized by one union, then later on sign on with a different union – or even form their own company specific union. </span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: #000000">Don’t take things personally; think in terms of business, how you can best achieve your goals and then how you can renegotiate a future deal to further your goals. The Express employees aren’t committing to a lifetime “marriage” with the Teamsters by signing an IBT card; they are merely choosing to “go to the dance with them”. Getting on the dance floor is what counts right now. In the future, the wage employees may meet someone else to take to the dance (a better union deal). Sometimes you have to dance with a wallflower in order to meet someone your really interested in. </span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ricochet1a, post: 863751, member: 22880"] [COLOR=#000000]Tom Hagen: Your father wouldn’t want to hear this, Sonny. This is business not personal.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]Sonny: They shoot my father and its business, my ass![/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]Tom Hagen: Even shooting your father was business, not personal, Sonny![/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]Godfather ‘72[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]In hard ball business or politics, each party carries an agenda which it wants to advance. When two parties can work together and advance their individual agendas at a savings compared to if they had to go it alone, a deal is struck (business conducted) and the parties work together. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]In the late 90’s the Teamsters were attempting to get Express unionized – business for them. When the writing on the wall told them that unionization wasn’t going to happen (RLA maintained by Express), the Teamsters did the only thing they logically could do and walked away. There was no written contract between the Teamsters and the wage employees of Express (they were working towards that) and with the change in the “ground conditions”, a written contract was never a realistic achievable option. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]The Teamsters did make all sorts of verbal assurances, but anyone with knowledge about how business is conducted knew those were statements of support, not contractual assurances. There is another poster in this forum who has given first-hand accounts of verbal promises being made and ignored when convenient for that party. Anything, anyone states outside a signed, written contract can be assumed to be puffery, and should be treated as such. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]Even in Washington, the opposing sides conduct “business”. They loathe each other most assuredly, but when it comes down to it, they know they eventually have to put aside their personal differences and conduct business. Being able to conduct business with someone that you don’t trust or maybe even detest is a sign of a shrewd individual. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]While the Teamsters didn’t “shoot” the wage employees of Express, they did walk out of the “meeting” when they knew they couldn’t get what they were after. In the end, like all unions, the Teamsters have their own business to conduct and know a bad deal when they see it. When Fred secured his RLA status for Express, the ground conditions changed and the Teamsters really had no choice but to walk away from a lost cause. If the conditions were different, the wage employees of Express would’ve been able to certify union representation and each side would’ve ended up conducting “business” with each other – IBT negotiating a contract for the wage employees of Express. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]The employees of Express can’t take what happened in the late ‘90s personally. An attempt was made to conduct business; one side knew it couldn’t secure what it needed, so it pulled out before expending any further effort in a futile attempt. In hard ball business and politics, sometimes you realize you’re going to lose, so it is best to throw in your cards and wait until you are holding a better hand before pushing to win. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]I like to think I operated like the character of Tom Hagen did in my time at Express – level headed, pragmatic and not taking things personally. There are those who do appear to take things personally and let this fact alter their judgment as to future possibilities. If the wage employees of Express are to somehow keep from getting gunned down by Fred, they are going to have to think in terms of business with the Teamsters and not take things personally. Many – MANY of the wage employees of Express have no love for the Teamsters on a PERSONAL level. This needs to be put aside and business conducted. Both the employees of Express and the Teamsters have something to gain from working together. You can conduct business with someone, even if you don’t really like them. In the end, as long as your goals are advanced, that is what counts. People shouldn’t get too picky when playing hardball. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]Just because you work with someone today to achieve a goal, doesn’t mean there is a never ending alliance. The employees of Express have far more to gain by a deal with the Teamsters right now, than by waiting for Fred to take pot shots at them. Who says that in the future, that when conditions change (assuming a unionized Express workforce organized by the IBT in the future), that the employees of Express can’t look for another union to make a deal with and conduct business? Many unions have this happen, they are organized by one union, then later on sign on with a different union – or even form their own company specific union. [/COLOR] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri][COLOR=#000000]Don’t take things personally; think in terms of business, how you can best achieve your goals and then how you can renegotiate a future deal to further your goals. The Express employees aren’t committing to a lifetime “marriage” with the Teamsters by signing an IBT card; they are merely choosing to “go to the dance with them”. Getting on the dance floor is what counts right now. In the future, the wage employees may meet someone else to take to the dance (a better union deal). Sometimes you have to dance with a wallflower in order to meet someone your really interested in. [/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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