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<blockquote data-quote="athena" data-source="post: 269289" data-attributes="member: 9953"><p>Yes, I know it is not a majority. I think you mistake my comment as support for the contract. I also share the concerns about the part-timers. I just thought that it was unwise to indicate it was only an 11% vote instead of what it actually was, overall 34%. I have always thought the best arugments are the honest ones. I agree voter turn out does seem a little low. </p><p> </p><p>I also think Tie makes a good point. If Hoffa negotiated and backed this contract, it is hard to imagine the people he represents would not have followed him. A lot of people in this world are followers. This isn't a bad thing, it just is what it is. There have to be followers.</p><p> </p><p> I think this was also true when Carey was heading up the Teamsters. "Some" people followed him because he was the leader and they were followers. You can talk as romantically as you want about the strike and I am not saying it was good or bad. However, the fact remains, if Carey had done the same thing as Hoffa did this year, people would have followed in 1997 just as they did today.</p><p> </p><p>When President Clinton began his first term, his approval rating was approx. 50%. By 1998 it was around 60% and after his impeachment, it went UP to 73%. There are reasons certain people are the leaders and those reasons mean there will be people who follow. Again, this should not be taken as my lack of support for President Clinton. Just an example.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="athena, post: 269289, member: 9953"] Yes, I know it is not a majority. I think you mistake my comment as support for the contract. I also share the concerns about the part-timers. I just thought that it was unwise to indicate it was only an 11% vote instead of what it actually was, overall 34%. I have always thought the best arugments are the honest ones. I agree voter turn out does seem a little low. I also think Tie makes a good point. If Hoffa negotiated and backed this contract, it is hard to imagine the people he represents would not have followed him. A lot of people in this world are followers. This isn't a bad thing, it just is what it is. There have to be followers. I think this was also true when Carey was heading up the Teamsters. "Some" people followed him because he was the leader and they were followers. You can talk as romantically as you want about the strike and I am not saying it was good or bad. However, the fact remains, if Carey had done the same thing as Hoffa did this year, people would have followed in 1997 just as they did today. When President Clinton began his first term, his approval rating was approx. 50%. By 1998 it was around 60% and after his impeachment, it went UP to 73%. There are reasons certain people are the leaders and those reasons mean there will be people who follow. Again, this should not be taken as my lack of support for President Clinton. Just an example. [/QUOTE]
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