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<blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 1071507" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>The problem as I see it is while you see yourself and liberals as able to accept a wide range of views you see Republicans as monolithic in their views. That we're all hardcore Christian fundamentalists, and thus hypocrites for hogging all the wealth. I also believe, and know many conservatives who do, that social programs are a good thing, and a safety net is necessary. I disagree strongly with Republicans who push the idea that Social Security is bankrupt, and should be scrapped. I'm against the redistribution of wealth that takes away from the productive and gives to the unproductive. But I'm also against the concentration of wealth. Just because someone owns a business doesn't mean they have the right to exploit those who help them obtain that wealth. At the same time money should be earned. People have a right to Social Security and Medicare because they paid into the system. But a percentage of the population(and that's not code, this exists across racial and ethnic lines) has learned to work the system to obtain money without working for it. The attitude is if the only available jobs are at Walmart and McDonalds then I should just stay home and collect welfare. No, they should take that Walmart job and if gainfully employed and still needing assistance then there should be programs that assist them. The growth of unearned entitlements is threatening to swamp the Federal budget, and yet I don't see an honest effort by Democrats to rein that spending in, as if there are no consequences to exorbitant spending. You wouldn't go out and spend huge amounts on credit, knowing you don't have the means to cover it and eventually the consequences will be severe. And yet there seems to be a disconnect by many about Federal spending, and any suggestion to eliminate spending brings howls of protests, claims of racism, etc. This extends to unions in the work world too. Any effort to limit their excesses(and yes, when you guarantee high pay and great benefits while protecting the unproductive members from dismissal it is excessive) is met with violence, outrage, protests. If jobs are to be created, if the country is to get back on track, then the excesses of both sides need to be curbed. Don't like the oligarchs like Smith exploiting the masses? Find ways to stop it at the ballot box. Vote in people with spine and character who stand up to the rich and powerful. Don't make excuses when they cave, accepting campaign contributions in lieu of doing the right thing. You wouldn't have accepted that if it had been Republicans who did that, you'd be morally outraged. But when Democrats do that I see excuses. I would vote for a Democrat like James Oberstar in a heartbeat. Democrats like Pelosi and Reid on the other hand are talking out of the sides of their mouths while lining their own pockets. And yet they are the face of the current Democrat leadership. No thanks, I'll throw my lot in with those who believe in things I believe in, are interested in saving the country from itself before it's too late. If that puts me at odds with you then show me me a way that doesn't throw money around with no concrete results other than it keeps the votes coming in.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vantexan, post: 1071507, member: 24302"] The problem as I see it is while you see yourself and liberals as able to accept a wide range of views you see Republicans as monolithic in their views. That we're all hardcore Christian fundamentalists, and thus hypocrites for hogging all the wealth. I also believe, and know many conservatives who do, that social programs are a good thing, and a safety net is necessary. I disagree strongly with Republicans who push the idea that Social Security is bankrupt, and should be scrapped. I'm against the redistribution of wealth that takes away from the productive and gives to the unproductive. But I'm also against the concentration of wealth. Just because someone owns a business doesn't mean they have the right to exploit those who help them obtain that wealth. At the same time money should be earned. People have a right to Social Security and Medicare because they paid into the system. But a percentage of the population(and that's not code, this exists across racial and ethnic lines) has learned to work the system to obtain money without working for it. The attitude is if the only available jobs are at Walmart and McDonalds then I should just stay home and collect welfare. No, they should take that Walmart job and if gainfully employed and still needing assistance then there should be programs that assist them. The growth of unearned entitlements is threatening to swamp the Federal budget, and yet I don't see an honest effort by Democrats to rein that spending in, as if there are no consequences to exorbitant spending. You wouldn't go out and spend huge amounts on credit, knowing you don't have the means to cover it and eventually the consequences will be severe. And yet there seems to be a disconnect by many about Federal spending, and any suggestion to eliminate spending brings howls of protests, claims of racism, etc. This extends to unions in the work world too. Any effort to limit their excesses(and yes, when you guarantee high pay and great benefits while protecting the unproductive members from dismissal it is excessive) is met with violence, outrage, protests. If jobs are to be created, if the country is to get back on track, then the excesses of both sides need to be curbed. Don't like the oligarchs like Smith exploiting the masses? Find ways to stop it at the ballot box. Vote in people with spine and character who stand up to the rich and powerful. Don't make excuses when they cave, accepting campaign contributions in lieu of doing the right thing. You wouldn't have accepted that if it had been Republicans who did that, you'd be morally outraged. But when Democrats do that I see excuses. I would vote for a Democrat like James Oberstar in a heartbeat. Democrats like Pelosi and Reid on the other hand are talking out of the sides of their mouths while lining their own pockets. And yet they are the face of the current Democrat leadership. No thanks, I'll throw my lot in with those who believe in things I believe in, are interested in saving the country from itself before it's too late. If that puts me at odds with you then show me me a way that doesn't throw money around with no concrete results other than it keeps the votes coming in. [/QUOTE]
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