MrFedEx
Engorged Member
Actually, I think there's an epidemic of stupid on the Right. You seem pretty latched on to Dubya's leg. He likes it.
The " Politics " of Bin Laden.... NOT A CELEBRATION Thread!
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Actually, I think there's an epidemic of stupid on the Right. You seem pretty latched on to Dubya's leg. He likes it.
Lue C Fur
Evil member
There is a disease on the left and your lips are attached firmly to Obamas arse...pucker up.
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
He's a far better President than you deserve.
Babagounj
Strength through joy
Did Leon Panetta Send Order to Take Out Osama Rather Than Obama?
President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president. … [T]here had been a push to invade the compound for several weeks if not months, primarily led by Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, David Petraeus, and Jim Clapper. The primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough to create uncertainty within President Obama. … Every time military and intelligence officials appeared to make progress in [getting Obama to take] a position, Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again.
Panetta indicated to Obama that leaks regarding knowledge of Osama Bin Laden's location were certain to get out sooner rather than later, and action must be taken by the administration or the public backlash to the president's inaction would be "…significant to the point of political debilitation." It was at that time that Obama stated an on-ground campaign would be far more acceptable to him than a bombing raid. This was intended as a stalling tactic, and it had originated from Jarrett. Such a campaign would take both time, and present a far greater risk of failure. The president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr. Panetta that he would have sole discretion to act against the Osama Bin Laden compound. Jarrett believed this would further delay Panetta from acting, as the responsibility for failure would then fall almost entirely on him. What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him — and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound. Basically, the whole damn operation was already ready to go — including the specific team support Intel necessary to engage the enemy within hours of being given notice. Panetta then made plans to proceed with an on-ground assault. This information reached either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates first (likely via military contacts directly associated with the impending mission) who then informed the other. Those two then met with Panetta, who informed each of them he had been given the authority by the president to proceed with a mission if the opportunity presented itself. Both Gates and Clinton warned Panetta of the implications of that authority — namely he was possibly being made into a scapegoat. Panetta admitted that possibility, but felt the opportunity to get Bin Laden outweighed that risk.
President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president. … [T]here had been a push to invade the compound for several weeks if not months, primarily led by Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, David Petraeus, and Jim Clapper. The primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough to create uncertainty within President Obama. … Every time military and intelligence officials appeared to make progress in [getting Obama to take] a position, Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again.
Panetta indicated to Obama that leaks regarding knowledge of Osama Bin Laden's location were certain to get out sooner rather than later, and action must be taken by the administration or the public backlash to the president's inaction would be "…significant to the point of political debilitation." It was at that time that Obama stated an on-ground campaign would be far more acceptable to him than a bombing raid. This was intended as a stalling tactic, and it had originated from Jarrett. Such a campaign would take both time, and present a far greater risk of failure. The president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr. Panetta that he would have sole discretion to act against the Osama Bin Laden compound. Jarrett believed this would further delay Panetta from acting, as the responsibility for failure would then fall almost entirely on him. What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him — and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound. Basically, the whole damn operation was already ready to go — including the specific team support Intel necessary to engage the enemy within hours of being given notice. Panetta then made plans to proceed with an on-ground assault. This information reached either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates first (likely via military contacts directly associated with the impending mission) who then informed the other. Those two then met with Panetta, who informed each of them he had been given the authority by the president to proceed with a mission if the opportunity presented itself. Both Gates and Clinton warned Panetta of the implications of that authority — namely he was possibly being made into a scapegoat. Panetta admitted that possibility, but felt the opportunity to get Bin Laden outweighed that risk.
[Obama] was not informed of the engagement order — it did not originate from him, and for several hours after the order had been given and the special ops forces were preparing for action into Pakistan from their position in Afghanistan, [White House Chief of Staff Bill] Daley successfully kept Obama and Jarrett insulated from that order. …
Leon Panetta was directing the operation with both his own CIA operatives, as well as direct contacts with military — both entities were reporting to Panetta only at this point, and not the President of the United States. — The operation was at this time effectively unknown to President Barack Obama or Valerie Jarrett and it remained that way until AFTER it had already been initiated. President Obama was literally pulled from a golf outing and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the mission. Upon his arrival there was a briefing held which included Bill Daley, John Brennan, and a high ranking member of the military. When Obama emerged from the briefing, he was described as looking "very confused and uncertain." The president was then placed in the situation room where several of the players in this event had already been watching the operation unfold. … The now famous photo released shows the particulars of that room and its occupants. What that photo does not communicate directly is that the military personnel present in that room during the operation unfolding, deferred to either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates. The president's role was minimal, including their acknowledging of his presence in the room.
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brett636
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Yes, I want my country weakened, my liberty (what's left of it) removed, and my standard of living severely diminished. That's what me and those who will succeed me deserve because of this president.
wkmac
Well-Known Member
Concerning the use of the term Geronimo, Geronimo, Bin Laden and US Foreign Policy
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
Sure. All of these things have happened to you personally, right? And it's all Obama's fault. Beck said so, so it must be true.
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
Anything to avoid giving credit to Obama. Pure desperation. I love to watch you squirm.
Brett,
I can agree with you on this point "Whether you want to admit or not, Bush got the ball rolling in the search for OBL"
Where our thoughts separate however is what happened after he "got the ball rolling".
As I wrote and pointed out, Bush's original claims turned out to be false in two wars, and his "search" for Bin Laden was abandoned a year and a half after it started for a war in Iraq.
During his 6 years in control of our military missions, many CIA, NSA , FBI and other spies QUIT his administration when they felt the mission had ignored Bin Laden and transitioned into nation building for oil.
As early as 2004, our spies provided information that Bin Laden was in Pakistan, YET BUSH did not invest one dime into that information. His insistence as well as Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice was that Bin Laden was in a cave in Afghanistan.
Dick Cheney says:
http://youtu.be/4nX-KQbYXnk
Rumsfeld says:
http://youtu.be/FGhGHxw0mSo
I challenge anyone on this board to post a link or show a document where anyone in the BUSH adminstration talked or planned to do anything in pakistan.
Giving Bush credit for this capture is laughable at best.
NONE of his intelligence chiefs are even in place at this time. None of the spies used by bush are currently in theatre.
Its seems really desperate by republicans to try and give Bush credit for something he clearly failed to do.
President Obama made, probably the toughest decision by any president in the last 50 years.
Pure guts. No nonsense. No weapons of mass destruction, no taliban strongholds, no caves, no mountains... HE JUST ATTACKED another country without warning, violated their airspace, and went in to the middle of a military compound and killed public enemy #1.
Plain and simple.
No waterboarding, No harsh interogations, No black sites.
Even Donald Rumsfeld and John McCain put those claims to rest. So dont bother going there.
At the end of the day, Obama did what all the repulicans Hawks could not do, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
Peace
Lue C Fur
Evil member
Your Messiah did a great job getting the evil POS and i applaud him for it. But not giving credit to Bush and his administration for laying the groudwork only makes Obama look more like the egomainiac he really is.
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
What groundwork? Dubya gave up in 2005. OBL got the better of him. Lots of bluster and no results. Obama had no bluster and finished the job. What's so hard to understand. Bush=loser, Obama=winner.
moreluck
golden ticket member
Don't hold your breath....he was gonna close Gitmo too.
wkmac
Well-Known Member
If you can't beat the Bush Policy, might as well pick up the ball and run with it!
Babagounj
Strength through joy
But what if what I posted is true ? I have not heard anyone here deny it .
Where is your proof that it never happened that way. The official story line changes so much that no one can believe what they are going to claim next.
It must be a tough pill to swallow when NONE of you can POINT to one thing that BUSH did that "layed" the groundwork for finding Usama Bin Laden in Pakistan.
Rendition? Black Sites? Torture? These are your claims to fame with BUSH?? Maybe you havent heard, but the Geneva Convention prohibits all these things and they are all ILLEGAL.
If you want to assign to your man of the hour George W. Bush, three Highly illegal actions in order to make him your hero, then youre up there with worshipping Adolf Hitler, many germans thought his tactics were impressive as well.
You all, also try to confuse the issue by introducing subject matter that has no relevance to this conversation. Does this help you cope with reality?
Seriously, GITMO, Hope and Change, cutting the deficit and running with bush's policies? Thats the best you can offer to the conversation?
I gave you all too much credit, well, maybe not Moreluck so much.
Its a real shame for america, when a political parties followers speak out in defense of torture, black sites, rendition and the mysterious disappearance of hundreds of detainees who were never charged with any crimes.
Back in 2004, the Bush administration captured Usama Bin Ladens personal driver, held him at black sites, transferred him to gitmo, tortured him, then convicted him of a nothing charge and set him free. What?
What was the point? Unless you werent really trying to catch usama. Who knows, we will never know the motivation of GW BUSH giving up on usama.
Until then, you can all watch your fox news hosts blab on about Bush's strong hand that led to this capture and celebrate in your own ways.
Ive proven my point.
Peace.
Rendition? Black Sites? Torture? These are your claims to fame with BUSH?? Maybe you havent heard, but the Geneva Convention prohibits all these things and they are all ILLEGAL.
If you want to assign to your man of the hour George W. Bush, three Highly illegal actions in order to make him your hero, then youre up there with worshipping Adolf Hitler, many germans thought his tactics were impressive as well.
You all, also try to confuse the issue by introducing subject matter that has no relevance to this conversation. Does this help you cope with reality?
Seriously, GITMO, Hope and Change, cutting the deficit and running with bush's policies? Thats the best you can offer to the conversation?
I gave you all too much credit, well, maybe not Moreluck so much.
Its a real shame for america, when a political parties followers speak out in defense of torture, black sites, rendition and the mysterious disappearance of hundreds of detainees who were never charged with any crimes.
Back in 2004, the Bush administration captured Usama Bin Ladens personal driver, held him at black sites, transferred him to gitmo, tortured him, then convicted him of a nothing charge and set him free. What?
What was the point? Unless you werent really trying to catch usama. Who knows, we will never know the motivation of GW BUSH giving up on usama.
Until then, you can all watch your fox news hosts blab on about Bush's strong hand that led to this capture and celebrate in your own ways.
Ive proven my point.
Peace.
Nimnim
The Nim
Hey, if you raise the deficit to twice what it was, then lower it back down you're cutting it in half right?
*I didn't read the article, just a jab.
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