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<blockquote data-quote="diesel96" data-source="post: 230675" data-attributes="member: 9859"><p>To my disenchanted Brethrens;</p><p>America's GOP's claim that the best way to achieve well-being for America's poor is by spurring rapid economic growth and that the higher taxes needed to fund high levels of social services would cripple prosperity. </p><p>The evidence may be found by comparing a group of free-market economies that have low to moderate rates of taxation and social spending with a group of social-welfare states that have high rates of taxation and social spendings.</p><p>The low-tax, high-income countries are mostly English-speaking ones that share an anti gov't control of economic affairs. These countries include Australia, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand, the U.K. and the U.S. The high-tax, high-income states are the Nordic social democracies, such as Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden, which have been governed by left-of-center social democratic parties for much or all of the post World War II era. They combine a healthy respect for market forces with a strong commitment to antipoverty programs. Budgetary spendings for social purposes average around 30 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) in the Nordic countries and just 15 percent of GDP in the English-speaking countries.</p><p>On average, the Nordic countries outperform the Anglo-Saxon ones on most measures of economic performance. Poverty rates are much lower there, and national income per working-age population is on average higher. Unemployment rates are roughly the same in both groups, just slightly higher in the Nordic countries. The budget situation is stronger in the Nordic group, with larger surpluses as a share of GDP. </p><p>The U.S. spends less than almost all rich countries on social services for the poor and disabled, and it gets what it pays for: the highest poverty rate among the rich countries and an exploding prison population. Actually, by dissing public spending on health, the U.S. gets much less than it pays for, because its dependence on private health care has led to a debacled system that yields mediocre results at very high costs.</p><p> </p><p>WKMAC,</p><p>The man ,the myth ,the indep.Lib....The contributer of historical revelance to contemperary politics.The Author of Democratic ghosts of years past somehow infiltrating the amplification of the Demons the GOP represents and has released the past 7 seasons like a Charles Dickens novel of Ebenezer Scrooge.So knowledgable yet so dislocated. </p><p> </p><p>Kmac=<img src="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/independents/images/persona-dislocated.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> </p><p><strong>Dislocated</strong></p><p> </p><p><img src="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/independents/images/chart-dislocated.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> </p><p>These independents are overwhelmingly socially liberal and fiscally conservative, making them uncomfortable with increasingly polarized parties.</p><p>They are ideologically dislocated. But they are engaged and active.</p><p>Nearly two-thirds are male and they are the least religious of any segment. Three in 10 profess no religion, nearly half rarely or never attend services and six in 10 want religion to play a more limited role in public life.</p><p>A quarter volunteer that neither party represents their views on the budget and effective governmental management</p><p> </p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="diesel96, post: 230675, member: 9859"] To my disenchanted Brethrens; America's GOP's claim that the best way to achieve well-being for America's poor is by spurring rapid economic growth and that the higher taxes needed to fund high levels of social services would cripple prosperity. The evidence may be found by comparing a group of free-market economies that have low to moderate rates of taxation and social spending with a group of social-welfare states that have high rates of taxation and social spendings. The low-tax, high-income countries are mostly English-speaking ones that share an anti gov't control of economic affairs. These countries include Australia, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand, the U.K. and the U.S. The high-tax, high-income states are the Nordic social democracies, such as Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden, which have been governed by left-of-center social democratic parties for much or all of the post World War II era. They combine a healthy respect for market forces with a strong commitment to antipoverty programs. Budgetary spendings for social purposes average around 30 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) in the Nordic countries and just 15 percent of GDP in the English-speaking countries. On average, the Nordic countries outperform the Anglo-Saxon ones on most measures of economic performance. Poverty rates are much lower there, and national income per working-age population is on average higher. Unemployment rates are roughly the same in both groups, just slightly higher in the Nordic countries. The budget situation is stronger in the Nordic group, with larger surpluses as a share of GDP. The U.S. spends less than almost all rich countries on social services for the poor and disabled, and it gets what it pays for: the highest poverty rate among the rich countries and an exploding prison population. Actually, by dissing public spending on health, the U.S. gets much less than it pays for, because its dependence on private health care has led to a debacled system that yields mediocre results at very high costs. WKMAC, The man ,the myth ,the indep.Lib....The contributer of historical revelance to contemperary politics.The Author of Democratic ghosts of years past somehow infiltrating the amplification of the Demons the GOP represents and has released the past 7 seasons like a Charles Dickens novel of Ebenezer Scrooge.So knowledgable yet so dislocated. Kmac=[IMG]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/independents/images/persona-dislocated.gif[/IMG] [B]Dislocated[/B] [IMG]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/independents/images/chart-dislocated.gif[/IMG] These independents are overwhelmingly socially liberal and fiscally conservative, making them uncomfortable with increasingly polarized parties. They are ideologically dislocated. But they are engaged and active. Nearly two-thirds are male and they are the least religious of any segment. Three in 10 profess no religion, nearly half rarely or never attend services and six in 10 want religion to play a more limited role in public life. A quarter volunteer that neither party represents their views on the budget and effective governmental management [COLOR=#0000ff][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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